Updated: March 24, 2003
1996,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2002,2003 David Dunnington (firstname.lastname@example.org)
What is a radio show?
My quest for good quality Genesis bootlegs has lead me into the world of "radio shows". Radio show transcripts consist of material prepared for broadcast on LP, CD, DAT or reel-to-reel tape. These radio masters, being of broadcast quality, have sound reproduction and mixing comparable with officially released material. In terms of sound quality a live radio show master is the ultimate bootleg, christened "pre-FM" and much sought after by tape and CDR traders.
Not all live radio broadcasts yield radio show transcripts: shows for broadcast on local radio do not require distribution, so the recordings result in a single master source, usually reel-to-reel format for older recordings with more recent masters held on DAT. Obviously tracking down the original reels of a local radio broadcast is much more difficult than locating LPs or CDs distributed to participating stations of a radio network, yet recordings are occasionally leaked from archive vaults in this way.
Initially, the legitimacy of dealing in radio show transcripts was a legal grey area: the media which reproduces the show is the property of the broadcasting company, but transcripts are not illegally manufactured. These days regulation is tighter, for example "Record Collector" can no longer accept adverts offering to sell radio shows.
Who manufactures radio shows?
The king of the radio show is King Biscuit, a transcription service owned by the US broadcasting company DIR. King Biscuit have put out various series of live shows, including "The King Biscuit Flower Hour" (55 minutes) and "Supergroups In Concert" (100 minutes) which are distributed to the various radio stations in the DIR network for broadcast. King Biscuit's first live show went out on 18th February 1973 and they have recorded Genesis on most of their major tours. Participating radio stations specify their preferred medium to receive King Biscuit shows when they subscribe to the network: reel-to-reel tape, LP or more recently CD.
The Archive section of www.kingbiscuit.com makes interesting reading, describing how 2" multitrack recordings of full shows are made and stored in their vaults with live-to-radio mix additionally caught on 1/4" tape. When masters are remixed King Biscuit put substantial effort into recreating an authentic live experience of the band performing in that particular period. Masters are regularly retrieved to make new shows of old concerts, with the newer shows often sounding noticably better than the original broadcasts due to advances in remastering technology.
Latterly King Biscuit have started to release some of their archive material commercially (though no Genesis shows); these official CDs should not be confused with discs distributed for broadcast, private ownership of which is not officially sanctioned. It is worth noting that occasionally unbroadcast tracks appear on their official releases, so for any given show there's always a chance additional material will be made available. Now that King Biscuit have issued several official releases from their archives, the non-appearance of a Genesis CD stands out as a significant omission. It is unlikely that King Biscuit have not attempted to capitalize on their abundance of Genesis live material, so the inevitable conclusion is that Genesis have not consented to release. If so the band may well be reserving the right to exploit the shows themselves - as with the Lamb show on the "Genesis Archive" box set; indeed a steady trickle of isolated tracks have in the past contributed to official products.
Other companies exist which operate on the same basis, leasing their radio shows to US local and independent stations. Another noteworthy name among these is Westwood One whose most famous series are "In Concert" and "Superstar Concert" (80 minutes). A word of caution: Westwood One CDs are relatively easy to fake, their labels are black printing direct onto silver CDRs. Some suspicious copies have been selling on ebay recently at reduced prices with lower quality back print, photocopied cue sheets and the odd occurrence of diginoise.
An honourable mention goes to the BBC Transcription Service. The BBC have been manufacturing LPs (now CDs) since the 1950s which constitute self-contained programs for broadcast on foreign BBC subsidiary stations. Many of these discs contain speech programmes on a wide variety of topics, but some are music oriented and the most pertinent to our current concern is the "In Concert" series of live shows. The hour long "In Concert" slot ran on BBC Radio One since the late 1960s and has more recently been continued on Radio Two. Interestingly BBC "In Concert" LPs sometimes differ by one or two tracks from the British broadcasts. When bootleggers became wise to the fact that BBC "In Concert" LPs could fetch up to 150 pounds (sterling) they began to manufacture inferior copies which can be identified as having black labels rather than the authentic BBC green label.
In the sections which follow, I will concentrate on live material (many radio shows consist of interview and studio recordings) and will focus on band material: there are also numerous radio shows involving individual band members.
In order to provide context, I will give details of all Genesis live radio broadcasts (and I believe this to be a complete catalogue), describing radio show LPs, CDs and reels where they exist. Bootlegs will be mentioned mainly when they relate to one particular radio show or broadcast; a complete list of bootlegs for each show would clutter the text.
Now that digital trading has become the norm it is usually possible to find CDR versions which are sourced closer to the master recordings than are the old bootlegs. With this explosion of sources it has become correspondingly difficult to obtain information on the lineage of circulating material. The difficulty is compounded by the ready availability of remastering capabilities which can produce multiple variant versions of any source. Wherever I have certain knowledge of a version whose provenance from master is know I have mentioned it, but if you intend to hunt for these items bear in mind that nowadays there will inevitably be false imitations and competing or misleading claims.
For completeness I have added an appendix on BBC sessions which first appeared in Jeff Kaa's excellent "9/8" fanzine. Although BBC sessions are not live in the sense of being performed before an audience they often have a "live" quality due to the limitating influence of the strict time schedules applied at BBC studios. Non-BBC sessions and demos are not addressed because that body of material could easily fill an article of its own. TV broadcasts will be mentioned only incidentally when relevant to radio broadcasts as this subject too deserves separate treatment.
LIVE BROADCASTS AND RADIO SHOWS
Selling England By The Pound tour
The Lamb tour
A Trick Of The Tail tour
Wind And Wuthering tour
And Then There Were Three tour
Invisible Touch tour
We Can't Dance tour
Calling All Stations tour
1. The Roundhouse, London, 11th March 1970
Speculation about prehistory is an inexact science! Nevertheless I will try to arrange the incomplete jigsaw pieces so as to present a plausible account of this mysterious recording. Apparently Genesis' PA system was not capable of making soundboard recordings until 1973. However this gig dubbed the "Atomic Sunrise Festival" at the London Roundhouse was headlined by David Bowie, increasing the likelihood of sound equipment with recording facilities. Verification that Bowie and Genesis played on this date comes in the form of a concert poster.
Amazingly Genesis were actually captured on 8mm film at this concert! The film is silent, though a separate soundtrack is rumoured to exist. There appear to be quite a few independent reports of footage of various bands filmed at the London Roundhouse around 1970, including 35mm film of Hawkwind from April 1970 for which the soundtrack is said to be missing. VH1 have shown a clip of David Bowie live at the London Roundhouse reputedly recorded on 22nd February 1970, the very day that Genesis were in London recording their first BBC session for the Night Ride program. As rumour has it, Yoko Ono was in the habbit of having some of the bands filmed at the Roundhouse around this era. Yoko Ono actually organized the "Atomic Sunrise Festival" opening the possibility that the master footage and soundtrack resides in the vaults of Apple Corporation.
Glen Colson (formerly at Charisma) was shown the black and white footage at the time he was putting together the first Archive box set. He remembers it being silent, about 20 minutes long, very good quality and says that Peter Gabriel was behaving like a young Mick Jagger! Anthony Phillips can be seen quite clearly in the footage, confirming it to be from an 1970 show. The dealer (known as Adrian Everett) wanted an extortionate sum for the film and was persuaded, on threat of a law suit from Tony Smith, to abandon his ambitions. It is not certain whether Genesis were signed with Charisma at the time, but in any case an offical release is highly unlikely.
A 20 second snippet introduced as live from the Roundhouse was aired by Earth News Radio, who's illustrious presenter Lew Irwin has kindly explained in an email:- "My source for out-of-print and bootlegged recordings was a company in Glendale, CA called Discontinued Records. They are no longer in business (the owner died), and I have no idea who acquired their collection (it was enormous). They did not actually sell the recordings, but made cassette copies for clients. I did not retain any of mine."
It is fair to point out however that considerable suspicion must attach to the date given since Ant Philips firmly believes Genesis were not professionally recorded live during his tenure with the band, though he does recall someone with a hand-held camera at one of the Roundhouse gigs. Genesis played at the Roundhouse many times, so although it would be neat to tie this radio show snippet with the film there is certainly room for doubt. The details of this recording remain a tantalizing mystery which I would love to solve!
1.1 "Earth News Radio" [1978 - LP]
Evidence of the London Roundhouse recording is in the form of a fascinating 5 minute and 45 second segment on a rare radio show LP called "Earth News Radio". It consists mainly of Lew Irwin interviewing Peter Gabriel soon after the release of his second album (June 1978). The really interesting part occurs in the first minute. After a brief introduction, Lew announces that we are "about to hear a rare recording of Genesis recorded at the Roundhouse in London nearly ten years ago". Then there is a live snippet of Twilight Alehouse which plays for 20 seconds before the interview begins and there is talking over the music which continues for a further 20 seconds - Gabriel is saying how there were more people on stage than in the audience. During this first part Lew Irwin dates the recording as "circa 1967" - which must be a rather wild estimate! The remainder of the interview consists of questions and answers which present a cursory history of Gabriel's career up to his second album.
The all-too-brief excerpt from Twilight Alehouse is certainly professionally recorded and is different from other such recordings (the B-side version, the BBC session version, the version recorded for Belgian TV).
2. BBC Paris Studios, London, 2nd March 1972
This 30 minute broadcast, part of the BBC "In Concert" series, contained a concert performance of three songs before an audience in BBC's Paris Studio. Andy Dunkley introduced the hour long program which consisted of a set by a band called Max Merritt And The Meteors followed by Genesis' set. The producer was Jeff Griffin and the engineer Chris Lycett. It was first broadcast on 11th March 1972 and the Genesis portion was repeated (minus Peter Gabriel's brief introduction to the first song) on 20th May 1989 during Alan Freeman's "Saturday/Sunday Rock Show".
3. Jahrhunderthalle, Frankfurt, 17th January 1973
The next live set to be broadcast is reputed to be part of an event called "The Sound Of Britain Festival" recorded at the Jahrhunderthalle (Century Hall) in Frankfurt and aired by Frankfurt's AFN radio.
Some doubt exists over both the venue and date attribution. It may be that the songs were performed in a TV studio, a possibility given credence by the announcer's introduction and the resemblance of the crowd noise to a studio audience. As for the date, the official Genesis timeline has them on tour in Germany on 17th January, but not in Frankfurt, and no mention of this broadcast being recorded. Whilst the official timeline is known to have flaws it seems the exact date and location of this performance are in question.
Some tape copies of this material are accompanied by a recording of Supper's Ready which is sometimes mistakenly assumed to be part of the Frankfurt recording. In fact it was performed live in the studio for the French TV program "Melody". I Know What I Like was also performed for the Melody program, and video copies have over the last few years been leaked and traded quite widely.
I do not know if AFN Frankfurt retained their master tape of this broadcast but I guess it is unlikely to see the light of day now. You can find it on the bootleg "Tango" [Chapter One CO 25112 - CD], though this version is a little muffled. (The remaining songs on "Tango" are the soundtrack of a live TV studio appearance in Brussels, 20th and 21st March 1972).
4. De Montfort Hall, Leicester, 25th February 1973
The official LP "Live" was re-mixed from tapes originally recorded by King Biscuit. Charisma initially intended to release a double album, but instead cut the recording down to produce a single budget LP aiming to reach a wider audience. Nevertheless plans for the double album were sufficiently far advanced for Charisma to have commissioned test pressings from Philips in Holland entitled "Live at Leicester & Manchester" [Philips 6830.140/1, 13.Apr.73 - 2LP]; the numbers stamped into the vinyl are AA 6830 140 1Y 1 670 1 series. Each label was written out by hand so they all look slightly different. A few of these Philips testpressings were distributed by Phonogram Int. B.V and have survived but are very hard to find. They contain the additional track Supper's Ready, complete with Peter Gabriel's introductory story, and some of the other song introductions are a little longer than on "Live". Besides the vinyl test pressings there also exists a set of two acetates which must take the honour of "ultimate live Genesis rarity".
Tracks on the test pressing:
The test pressings themselves are not "radio shows": they were not manufactured for the purpose of radio broadcast; the opportunity to describe them here is due to independently mastered shows broadcast by King Biscuit and the BBC. Radio recordings of the show can be distinguished from the Philips LPs due to minor differences in sound production - King Biscuit's recording seems more "polished". On that basis I believe "Genuine Genesis Live" [GGL 2/73 - CD] to be derived from the King Biscuit broadcast. Also, the old bootleg "Carnegie Hall" [TAKRL 933 - LP] is undoubtedly the same material and was probably taped from a King Biscuit show. The Leicester gig will have been one of King Biscuit's very first recordings; it has not contributed to any of their more recent retrospective compilations and as far as I know the show has not survived on any medium distributed by King Biscuit.
Supper's Ready from this recording was aired by the BBC on the "Sounds of the 70s" show, hosted by Bob Harris and transmitted on Monday 23rd July 1973. The source was a "private tape" supplied, in all probability, by Charisma and as such is unlikely to have been retained in the BBC archives. A tape containing the BBC broadcast has long been circulating amongst tape traders, coupled with the "In Concert" broadcast (section 2) under the name "UK Tours 1971-1973".
None of the tapes or bootlegs derived from the King Biscuit broadcast include Hogweed, and according to the test pressing cue sheet this was the only track recorded at Manchester's Free Trade Hall (24th February 1973), therefore it is possible King Biscuit recorded the Leicester show and Charisma added Hogweed independently to complete the LP. All versions of this material sound heavily supplemented with studio overdubs.
5. Olympia Theatre, Paris, 7th May 1973
French AM station Europe 1 broadcast part of a gig from the Foxtrot tour on their "Musicorama" show with a reporter describing the on-stage action between songs. Introducing the Knife, the announcer said that "the audience were very warm that Monday night" which helps to verify the performance date as Monday 7th May.
There are no bootlegs from the broadcast; tapes are pretty hard to find and those I've heard are of a poor standard with Knife being clipped just before it finishes. Musicorama was a popular AM broadcast in the early 70s and Europe 1 sometimes rebroadcasts in stereo bits and pieces from these early shows - for example a Pink Floyd 1970 show was partially rebroadcast in 1995. So there is a possibility that Europe 1 still have their recording from the Olympia and may air it again one day.
6. Rainbow Theatre, London, 20th October 1973
It has long been supposed that this was a BBC recording, but in truth the BBC archives have no record of the show. The recording was made by Charisma and some of the material has been included in the Genesis Archives box set [Virgin 72438 422221 2 3 - 4CD] (missing are Watcher, Epping Forrest, Cinema Show).
The show received its debut broadcast on London's Capital Radio soon after that station's launch. Later there were several local US broadcasts presumably supplied by Charisma to promote the US leg of the "Selling England By The Pound" tour. Absent from these hour long US broadcasts were Cinema Show and Epping Forrest, so related bootlegs (such as "Watchers Of The Skies" [Great Dane Records GDR CD 9018 - CD]) are similarly incomplete. Two verified US broadcasts are WNEW New York (1986) and WXRT Chicago (1976). WXRT are in the habit of airing their version every few years, the most recent of which was on 13th February 2000 - Peter Gabriel's 50th birthday. A DAT recording of this latter 60 min broadcast is the best I have heard, leaving aside the doctored version on Archive I.
Tapes of the show and other bootlegs include the extra tracks broadcast by Capital. One to look for is the classic two part bootleg LP "The Great Lost Live Album" [G48,G50 - 2LP], a very good recording which includes Epping Forrest but not Cinema Show: this is rumoured to have descended from the Charisma master rather than a broadcast. "Welcome to Epping Forrest" [RFCD8 - CD] is probably the definitive CD release: an expertly remastered version of "The Great Lost Live Album", though again minus Cinema Show. The best bootleg version of Cinema Show, though still a little hissy, is on "Live Supper" [Chapter One CO 25111 - CD].
7. Roxy Theatre, Los Angeles, 18th December 1973 (early show)
Reputed to be among the finest Genesis performances are the six gigs they played at the Roxy Theatre, LA in late 1973. For each of the 17th, 18th and 19th December Genesis gave both matinee and evening performances. A broadcast which is often overlooked is of the early performance on the 18th. The show came courtesy of a small local Los Angeles AM radio station, KDAY - long since defunct.
Tracks broadcast by KDAY:
Happily there are decent bootleg releases of the evening show on the 19th! "Skywatchers" [TMQ 72115 - 2LP] and "Fantasia" [Exposure EX-002-1GE - CD] both have reasonable balance and pretty good stereo sound. Although certainly taken from the soundboard and with the aid of an audience micropone, I have not so far found evidence of a broadcast of this last Roxy show. A plausible theory is that both the 18th and 19th were recorded proffessionally and the 18th was selected for broadcast. If correct this would require someone with access to the later recording to leak the show in order that it eventually fall into the hands of the bootleggers.
Tracks on the bootlegs:
8. Centre Sportif, University of Montreal, 21th April 1974
An entire "Selling England By The Pound" set was broadcast live on the air by Montreal radio station CHOM-FM (not to be confused with Toronto's local station CHUM-FM). Genesis were supported that night by Peter Hammill though his songs, introduced by Peter Gabriel, were not broadcast. To round things off CHOM-FM also broadcast a 20 minute post-concert interview and phone-in with Gabriel.
This particular show is a good one to own, not just because it is the only complete professional recording of this set but also because it is a finely honed performance. Genesis had been on the road with this material for seven months and had already delighted the Montreal crowd at an earlier visit in October 1973. Watch out especially for some great upbeat backing vocals from Phil - during Willow Farm for example.
9. Shrine Auditorium, Los Angeles, 24th January 1975
This concert was professionally recorded by Genesis' sound engineer, John Burns, and Genesis management hold the master. The Lamb section of the show is available on the "Genesis Archives" box set, though with much overdubbing particularly in the vocal department.
Missing from the box set are the last song of the standard set (It) and the two encores (Watcher Of The Skies and Musical Box). Tony Banks's accompanying notes claim that the intention was to make two overlapping recordings but that the second recording was not started due to an "engineer asleep on the job". Nevertheless a portion of the show broadcast on Dutch Radio which included the three final songs. All of the 35 minutes broadcast were taken from the second half of the show lending weight to the theory that the overlapping recording was completed. There can be little doubt that the source of the broadcast was indeed the John Burns recording because the crowd noises audible on the Archive #1 version match those of the broadcast indicating at the very least use of the same audience microphones. I conclude that Tony Banks owes John Burns an apology!
For quite a while I subscribed to the generally held belief that this material was broadcast by King Biscuit, but the only evidence I have found on this matter is negative. There are no tapes with Shrine Audititorium material containing King Biscuit announcements, adverts or a radio ID. A recent King Biscuit compilation containing live Lamb material attributed to Shrine Auditorium turned out to be a segment of their old Wembley 1975 recording. The one lead I had claiming original King Biscuit reels from Shrine Auditorium turned out, after negotiations lasting five years, to be mistakenly attributed King Biscuit reels from Rainbow 1977. Though I have emailed King Biscuit for any details their archives might hold on the Shrine recording they have been either unable or unwilling to clarify the situation.
The Dutch broadcast was carried by "Hilversum 3" since renamed "Radio 3", a spokesman recalled that the tape they received for broadcast from "a record company" was about 90 mins long but that the tape had gone missing, possibly taken home by an employee. Dutch Radio 3 have no record of the original broadcast date and say that there have been no rebroadcasts; the concluding announcement on the tape is "that was Genesis recorded in 1975" which suggests the broadcast probably took place sometime in 1976. There is also a 90 minute undubbed version held by a few collectors which begins with In The Cage, though this is probably not the Dutch radio master and is thought to originate from Fisher Farm Lane studios. Like Archive #1, this recording is missing the last three songs.
Low generation recordings from the Dutch broadcast are very rare, the material is better known as the worthy old bootleg "As Though Emerald City" [TAKRL 1945 - LP] and it's CD equivalent "Twilight Alehouse" [Flashback 10.89.0109-33 - CD]. Beware of the bootleg LP "Revelation Without A Cause" [Wizardo Wrmb 313 - LP] as it was recorded from the audience at the same gig.
The Waiting Room from this live performance had an early official release under the title "Evil Jam" on the B-side to the single version of The Carpet Crawlers [Charisma CB251].
9.1 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [1975 - 2 reels]
King Biscuit's 35 minutes (without the contemporaneous overdubs) were used to produce a quadraphonic recording which was sent out on reel-to-reel tape to local radio stations. Even by radio show standards, these reels are now incredibly rare. It is unusual for KB to have two recordings from a tour but they also have some of Wembley 1975 (section 10.5, 10.7); on the various King Biscuit retrospective shows their Wembley recording is always used in preference.
10. Empire Pool, Wembley, London, 15th April 1975
One of the most bootlegged radio broadcasts in Genesis' history was recorded at the Empire Pool, Wembley. Genesis played two nights at Wembley and the BBC were contracted to record both nights. Some sources quote the recording date as 14th, but comparison with an audience tape from 15th shows the broadcast is of the second night. The proliferation of this show on bootleg is partly due to the large number of broadcasts it has received: two by the BBC; several world-wide broadcasts of a BBC transcript LP; some King Biscuit broadcasts and numerous Westwood One airings.
In total, just under 70 minutes of the concert have been aired. The first broadcast on BBC's "In Concert" program, 12th July 1975 at 6:30pm, was bootlegged by the classic "Awed Man Out" [TAKRL 1975 - LP], minus Watcher Of The Skies.
Tracks on the original BBC broadcast:
Only the original broadcast contained Lilywhite Lilith, the story preceding Back In NYC and the complete performance of The Waiting Room. Subsequent versions of The Waiting Room were edited to approximately half the length of the original. These particular segments are not to be found on transcript because a different selection of tracks was used to make the LP corresponding to the original broadcast. In fact the songs on the first BBC LP match exactly those used for the BBC rebroadcast.
Among the many bootlegs, none compiled from the full set of broadcasts until recently: "The Light Goes Down on Empire" [Highland HL-271 - CD] has everything including Grand Parade and those parts exclusive to the original BBC broadcast. This Highland CD is easily the best being of excellent sound quality and well mastered. The best version in the hands of collectors originates from BBC masters; the Westwood One CDs are a little more refined due to remastering but are less complete.
10.1 BBC "Pop Spectacular" [show 98, CN2302/SQ, 29th
week 1975 - LP]
The BBC pressed a quadraphonic LP to accompany the original broadcast, hosted by Brian Matthew and named "POP SPECTACULAR featuring Genesis In Concert". As often happens with BBC LPs this transcript differs from the corresponding UK broadcast: In The Cage was added at the expense of Lilywhite Lilith and splicing out a couple of chunks of The Waiting Room.
There was a Swedish broadcast consisting of the first 30 minutes (up to and including Counting Out Time) augmented with a couple of tracks from Knebworth 1978 (section 21). I guess this was probably aired around 1978 and that the 1975 material was taken from this LP - at any rate record surface noise is audible on the Swedish broadcast.
10.2 BBC "Vintage Concert" [Show #313, 41st week 1983
A second BBC pressing of the Wembley 1975 material was issued in 1983, containing the same tracks as on the original pressing, but in stereo rather than quadraphonic and hosted by Andy Peebles.
A related bootleg is "Another Gold Record" [ELK 01 - LP].
10.3 Westwood One "In Concert" [show #86-23,
17-24.Nov.86 - 2LP]
Westwood One's version of the second BBC issue of Wembley 1975 was in the form of a two part show subtitiled "BBC Concert Classics : Genesis". Sent out on a 2LP set, the first part was 45 minutes of Wembley 1975, the second part contained tracks from New York 1981 (section 26.9). Among the tracks claimed by the cue sheets of various different versions of this Westwood One show are The Chamber Of 32 Doors and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, but the real contribution is as follows.
Tracks from Wembley 1975:
10.4 King Biscuit "The Genesis Event, Part 1"
[30.Nov.86 - 2LP]
"The Genesis Event" is a four part extravaganza which contains excerpts from King Biscuit's various Genesis shows together with recordings of solo concerts by band members. Part 1 is a Genesis history lesson conveyed around interviews with Collins, Rutherford and Banks and live tracks from the King Biscuit archives. Part 2 is dedicated to solo careers drawing from King Biscuit's live recordings of Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Mike And The Mechanics and GTR (for Steve Hackett). Parts 3 and 4 present the debut airing of King Biscuit's recording of Genesis live in Los Angeles 1986 (section 30). As with all King Biscuit LP sets, each of the four shows was distributed on two LPs one of which is one-sided, making 8 LPs (12 sides) in total.
Two tracks from the Wembley gig contribute to the history element and were aired during Part 1.
10.5 King Biscuit "King Biscuit Flower Hour"
[21.Aug.88 - CD]
Probably the first Genesis radio show to have been produced on CD. Half the show is dedicated to Genesis, the other half to live material by King Crimson (live from Pennsylvania State University, Pittsburgh 29.Jan.74).
10.6 Westwood One "In Concert" [show #88-25,
Dec.88 - 2LP]
Another coupling with songs from Nassau Coliseum 1981. I don't have the full track list of this: 1975 tracks include In The Cage, Back In NYC, Carpet Crawl and The Waiting Room; 1981 tracks include Dodo and Abacab. It may be a reissue of Westwood One show #86-23 (section 10.3).
10.7 King Biscuit "Peter Gabriel Retrospective"
[9-15.Oct.89 - CD]
Twenty minutes of the Wembley concert appear together with solo live material by Peter Gabriel to form a retrospective view of his career. The show is faithfully reproduced on the bootleg CD "Retrospective" [On Tour 20103 - CD].
10.8 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show #91-31,
29.Jul.91 - CD]
Westwood One produced a series of transcription CDs entitled "BBC Classic Tracks". So far there have been three distinct Genesis shows (see also sections 10.9, 10.11) with identical music but sporting different commercials, mixing tracks taken from Knebworth 1978 (section 21.5) with two tracks from Wembley 1975.
Especially important is The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging which is unique to these sources. The songs have lengthy introductions by British DJ Richard Skinner, intended to put them into the context of the band's history.
10.9 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show #92-34,
17.Aug.92 - CD]
Second issue of Westwood One show #91-31 (section 10.8).
10.10 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [23-29.Nov.92
Repeat issue of the Peter Gabriel Retrospective program (section 10.7).
10.11 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show #93-14,
29.Mar.93 - CD]
Third issue of Westwood One show #91-31 (section 10.8).
10.12 Westwood One "In Concert" [show #93-18,
26.Apr.93 - 2CD]
CD reissue of Westwood One show #86-23 (section 10.3)
10.13 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show #93-45,
1.Nov.93 - 3LP]
Later in 1993 Westwood One produced another version of the Wembley/New York combination as part of their Superstar Concert series. Although the LP versions of this series were put out on 3 LPs, whereas "In Concert" shows were on 2 LPs, the shows were roughly the same length; the tracks are the same as show #86-23 (section 10.3)
10.14 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show #95-24,
5.Jun.95 - 2CD]
Another CD issue saw Westwood One again capitalizing on Wembley 1975 but this time augmented with material from Knebworth 1990 (section 39.1). CD one contains the Knebworth 1990 tracks while CD two contains a slightly different selection of Wembley tracks:
Tracks from Wembley 1975:
10.15 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show
#96-23, 1976 - CD]
The Grand Parade features in a "BBC Classic Tracks" compilation program, rather unflatteringly entitled "Seventies Pomp".
10.16 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show
#97-04, 20.Jan.97 - CD]
Yet another Westwood One Genesis compilation, this one boasts that its first track is The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, but in reality the set is just the usual segment from Silent Sorrow to Riding The Scree. Filler material is provided from Knebworth 1978 (section 21.8) and Nassau Coliseum 1981 (section 26.16).
Tracks from Wembley 1975:
10.17 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show #98-18,
27.Apr.98 - 2CD]
No one can accuse Westwood One of underusing their material! Here's another Genesis double bill, this time on a two CD set coupled with more material from Knebworth 1978 (section 21.9). Presenter JJ Jackson's amusing comments include mistakenly stating that Phil Collins replaced Chris Stewart on drums. Another quirk is a clumsy attempt to edit out the expletive in Back in NYC!
Tracks from Wembley 1975:
10.18 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [9.Jul.01 - CD]
Advertised material from the Shrine Auditorium turns out in reality to be from Wembley 1975, strengthening my belief that King Biscuit have never in truth had any material from the Shrine Auditorium 24-Jan-75 show. Also present are songs from the Los Angeles Forum, 1986 recording. I think in this case the misattribution of the venue was really an excuse for presenter Ed Sharkey to claim a spurious connection between the two shows as having both been recorded in Los Angeles. The standard King Biscuit portion of Wembley 1975 is played:
10.19 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show
#02-28, 13/14.Jul.02 - 2CD]
Repeat issue of Westwood One's Superstar Concert #98-18 (section 10.17) coupling Wembley 1975 with Knebworth 1978 (section 21.10).
11. Syria Mosque, Pittsburgh, 13th April 1976
Local Pittsburgh radio station WDVE broadcast this gig live on the air on Tuesday 13th April 1976, and repeated the show one week later. A subsequent rebroadcast probably occurred between late late 1976 and early 1978. On at least one of these occasions the entire show was broadcast, though nearly all bootleg tapes are missing the It/Watcher encore.
Tracks broadcast by WDVE:
After the opening number Phil says "Good evening Baltimore" then hastily tries to dig himself out of trouble saying that Baltimore is only forty miles from Pittsburgh. But he's digging a deeper hole, the distance between the two cities being rather more than forty miles!
Surprisingly there were no early bootlegs containing the Pittsburgh material until Highland plugged the gap with "A Trick Of The Show" [Highland HL 010/11#G1 - 2CD] minus the encore, then later the better sounding "A Trick Of The Stage" [Highland HL 319/320 - 2CD] which has some of the encore, finishing as It fades into Watcher. By far the best version of this show to be circulated is the recent fan release FAde002 which is compiled from three low generation recordings one of which boasted the full It/Watcher encore.
WDVE-FM (www.dve.com) is still one of the top-rated radio stations in the Pittsburgh area. Until recently their format was a mix of contemporary and classic rock; not long ago they obtained the license to broadcast Pittsburgh Steelers (American) football games! WDVE made many classic recordings in the 70s, all on reel-to-reel tape, which used to be kept at their studio; now WDVE rarely play Genesis at all and the archive concerts (if indeed they still exist) are held elsewhere.
12. Music Hall, Cleveland, 15th April 1976
Genesis performed two nights at The Music Hall in Cleveland Ohio in April 1976. Their second show, minus Squonk and Entangled, was broadcast by Cleveland's local station WMMS who had an amazing track record for live broadcasts around this period.
Tracks broadcast by WMMS:
Squonk and Entangled have never been broadcast by WMMS so they probably have not retained this portion of their recording. Los Endos has a rather badly clipped ending, an idiosyncrasy shared by the It/Watcher encore - this is common to all broadcasts and therefore almost certainly a feature of the recording. At the point in Supper's Ready where eerie infant voices sing "we will rock you little snake", the PA plays totally unrelated rock music instead. In Richard MacPhail's time he used biro marks on the tape to be sure that the cassette was in the right place; whatever the mechanism used in 1976 it wasn't foolproof! These quirks aside, this was a splendid performance which I highly recommend.
Currently WMMS run a program every afternoon called "Buzzard Basement Tapes" in which they play a half hour's worth of their concert archives. Genesis is played occasionally during this program. A repeat of the entire show (but still minus Squonk and Entangled) was broadcast on 30th October 1998 at 9:00pm. Apparently this rebroadcast came completely out of the blue, with no prior warning. WMMS are in the process of changing ownership so it remains to be seen whether there will be further repeats.
To digress a little, there's an interesting relationship between WMMS and Cleveland's famous rock venue the Agora. There would be two masters for each show broadcast from the Agora, WMMS's master recorded from a phone line feed and the Agora's own reel-to-reel master taped in a 24 track studio upstairs at the venue. Indeed there is evidence of at least one show which was recorded at the Agora but which did not feature in a WMMS broadcast (Accept 1984 and maybe Judas Priest 1978). Over the years many shows in the WMMS archives have been stolen or thrown away, but some of these "lost" shows survivied in the form of the Agora reels. Two Rush concerts from 1974 owe their WMMS rebroadcasts to the Agora masters. After the Agora digitized their reels, the masters were donated to the Western Reserve Historical Society. All this has no bearing on the Genesis 1976 and Peter Gabriel 1977 (Music Hall) recordings, though fortunately we know from rebroadcasts that WMMS have kept these masters. But Steve Hackett's 25-Oct-81 appearance at the Agora was broadcast by WMMS and there is an extended rare 100 minute recording in trading circles.
Before the rebroadcast, bootlegs of the Genesis Cleveland recoding were limited to a 60 minute show made by the commercial transcription company "Rock Around The World" (described below). Highland released a double CD set of WMMS's (almost) complete recording within weeks of the rebroadcast: "Two Down Three Left Twelve Complete" [Highland HL 265/266 - 2CD], but its timing appears to be a coincidence. All tracks in common with the "Rock Around The World" show are from vinyl source, either from the transcript or one of its bootlegs; the remaining tracks are taken from a tape of one of the broadcasts. As a result Highland's bootleg is not as good as it could have been, recordings originating from the rebroadcast are much better.
12.1 RATW "Genesis Through the Looking Glass" [show
#107, 22-28.Aug.76 - LP]
"Rock Around The World", an independent transcription syndicate, had a contact at WMMS who supplied them with material from the Cleveland gig. Most RATW shows, were based around interviews and studio cuts but this one, hosted by John Brodey, was an exception. Along with the unreleased test pressing (section 4) the RATW LP is one of the most elusive Genesis live products.
An early bootleg LP made from a radio broadcast called "Two Down Three Left" [Dancin' Disc DD 1101 - LP] surfaced (though the sound quality on the bootleg is not great compared to the RATW LP) and is said to have been the subject of an FBI investigation! After this, bootleggers seem to have forgotten about the show until recently: a much better version of the RATW LP is now available called "Let The Dance Begin" [Alternative Record Company ARC/GNV 025 - LP], a curiously anachronistic LP release on multi-coloured vinyl. ARC's offering is also interesting for retaining some of John Brodey's introduction about the world's reaction to the first Genesis tour without Peter Gabriel.
12.2 RATW Radio "Rock Around the World" [show #120,
21-27.Nov.76 - LP]
Another "monster" rarity is this compilation from Rock Around The World which contains Cinema Show from the Cleveland concert plus songs from other artists.
13. Hammersmith Odeon, London, 10th June 1976
Later during the Trick Of The Tail tour Genesis were recorded live in London resulting in a broadcast by the "British Biscuit" - a short series run by DIR as a sister show to the King Biscuit Flower Hour. Popular belief proclaims this show as a BBC recording, but this myth is due to the confusing "British Biscuit" title and the opening announcement in a pronounced English accent: the BBC have never had access to this material.
Until recently the date was problematic: although commonly quoted as 11th June, the British Biscuit show did not match up with an audience recording claiming the same date. All was explained when an inventory of tapes available at Fisher Lane Farm uncovered a King Biscuit show labelled 10th June.
13.1 King Biscuit "British Biscuit" [1976 - 2 reels]
DIR distributed this show on reel-to-reel tapes; they are difficult to find but are still occasionally made available to the manic (and rich!) collector.
13.2 King Biscuit "The Genesis Event, Part 1"
[30.Nov.86 - 2LP]
"The Genesis Event" is described in section 10.4. One track, aired during Part 1 of the four part show, is included from King Biscuit's 1976 recording.
13.3 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [3-9.Apr.89 - CD]
Another compilation CD from King Biscuit of Genesis live material, described by presenter Bill Minkin as "The Best Of Genesis Live". King Biscuit use The Lamb again as the sole track from 1976 (the more cynically inclined might be forgiven for suggesting this was to save the bother of retrieving the master from archive!). The entire compilation is reproduced on "Illegal Alien" [Beech Marten 005 - CD], where it is augmented with additional tracks from Philadelphia Spectrum 1983 (section 28).
13.4 King Biscuit "The Genesis Chronicles"
[9-15.Dec.91 - CD]
Essentially a reissue of the earlier "Flower Hour" compilation (section 13.3).
13.5 DIR "Live Cuts" show #49 [19.Jun.84 -
A single song, yet again The Lamb Lies Down, contributes to this compilation LP along with cuts from various other bands. Here the song is misattributed to Philadelphia 1977.
14. Apollo, Glasgow, 9th July 1976
During the late 70s and early 80s Phil made several appearances on Capital Radio (once with Mike) to give interviews and play demos and rare tracks. These occasions, hosted by Capital DJ Nicky Horne a staunch supporter of Genesis, included original demos, studio live vocals over backing tracks and live songs from Glasgow 1976 sometimes described as "Seconds Out" out-takes.
Glasgow 1976 tracks broadcast by Capital:
The precise details of the Capital appearances are difficult to pin down, so it is worth digressing here to set down what we've pieced together so far (special thanks to Graham Collins):
Phil, Mike, Tony, Steve; November 1976
On 26th December 1981 there was further radio play, this time on the Radio London program "Rock In The Movies". As well as playing Pink Floyd's Careful With That Axe Eugene, Crumbling Land and Seamus Blues they also aired I Know What I Like from the 1976 movie.
It/Watcher from Glasgow 1976 is the same version as on the UK release of the "Three Sides Live" double LP and CD. Phil's introduction to the encore can be heard on recordings of the Capital Radio show: he apologizes for the previous night when he praised the Scottish crowd for being the best audience in England!
An early release of Glasgow 1976 show was in the form of a film recorded in quadraphonic and imaginatively entitled "Genesis In Concert".
Tracks on the "In Concert" film:
Concert footage is mixed with black and white film clips of Keystone Cops style slapstick comedy (Cinema Show instrumental) and war images (Apocalypse In 9/8). According to the film credits some of the footage was shot at the Bingley Hall, Stafford (10th July 1976). Entangled has been released on the Archive #2 box set, where it is identified as a recording from Stafford; I don't yet know which of the other tracks were taken from Stafford, though the It/Watcher encore was certainly from Glasgow.
In 1986 the film was broadcast on US TV on a program called "Night Flight"; it is now officially available in Japan on both video and laserdisc. The soundtrack of the laserdisc is faithfully reproduced on a rare vinyl bootleg release sporting black and white sleeves; 150 copies pressed on crystal vinyl and about 50 copies on different coloured and multicoloured vinyl.
15. Rainbow Theatre, London, 2nd January 1977
Following soon after the release of "Wind and Wuthering" Genesis began the album tour with the first three days of 1977 at the Rainbow Theatre. Capacity at the Rainbow ran to fewer than 3000 seats yet the Rainbow was a well known and important rock venue. The Rainbow reopened that night after a period of closure; appropriately this was the occasion Genesis played their first concert with Chester Thompson on the first night of 1977. Tony Banks siad that if it had not been for the Rainbow reopening their venue of choice would have been the Hammersmith Odeon on account of better acoustics. 100,000 applied for the 8000 tickets available over those three days.
An excerpt attributed to the second Rainbow concert was made into a radio show by King Biscuit and distributed as a "British Biscuit" program. Whether the King Biscuit recording really was made at this concert is not certain. The KB announcer claims the venue be Rainbow Theatre, but then King Biscuit date and venue details very often prove to be innacurate. All we know for sure is that the show was recorded during the first (UK) leg of the tour and is not from a venue bootlegged by other means (such as the first night at the Rainbow).
Of the recordings circulating from this show, the majority are sourced from the various King Biscuit broadcasts, provisionally sent out on 20th March 1977. However it was also aired by WNEW-FM New York who don't subscribe to King Biscuit which introduces the possibility that their copy derived from the band.
15.1 King Biscuit "The British Biscuit" [1977 - 2
As with the Biscuit's 1976 recording the transcript takes the form of two reel-to-reel tapes.
An excellent bootleg LP entitled "A Living Story" [Big Thumb PG 1300 - LP] was produced and received two separate pressings. The rare first pressing included In That Quiet Earth/Afterglow but the consequent length of Side One of the LP caused difficulties in mastering which led to it being withdrawn. The more common second pressing replaced Quiet Earth/Afterglow with All In A Mouse's Night.
15.2 King Biscuit "The Genesis Event, Part 1"
[30.Nov.86 - 2LP]
The opening number Squonk is also reproduced on "The Genesis Event" (described in section 10.4).
16. Gaumont Theatre, Southampton, 20th January 1977
If ever there was a good time to be in a Southampton hospital, it would have been on this day! A full Genesis concert went out live to 8 hospitals in Southampton and Winchester. Southampton Hospital Radio has been broadcasting to listeners in local hospitals since 1952. They started with football commentaries and then added music programmes in 1963, initially on tape and from January 2nd 1966, live by landline.
The setlist that night was that common on the first leg of the tour in the UK, including All In A Mouse's Night. Before Carpet Crawlers, Phil announced that the concert was being broadcast to the hospitals.
17. Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, 16th February 1977
An entire "Wind and Wuthering" set was broadcast live by WKQX Chicago radio. As with Pittsburgh '76, there has been an inexplicable shortage of bootleg releases, with just half of the show represented on "Mirrors" [Alternative Recording Company ARC 0089 - LP]. Recently the balance has been somewhat redressed with 90 minutes of the 120 set appearing on the bootleg CD "Chicago On The Air" [LaXious 03-04], though the recording is cut short during Supper's Ready just after Willow Farm and then, inexplicably, augmented with bonus tracks from Chicago 1978. There are some very good tapes to be found on the trading circuit including one which claims to be recorded on DAT direct from the WKQX master reels: this is gradually becoming more common on CDR.
Tracks broadcast by WKQX:
18. Maracananzinho Stadium, Rio de Janeiro, 15th May 1977
This show must be a strong contender for the worst ever live recording to be aired on radio! Evidently the sound engineers had trouble with this one; there is an ever-present background roar and the band sound distant, as though recorded from the back of the stadium. Acoustics at the Maracananzinho Stadium were notoriously bad and I understand that transmission conditions were also poor on that particular date.
The concert was aired by two of Brazil's radio stations, "Eldorado FM stereo", with minimal DJ interruptions, and the mono AM station "Radio Mundial", where DJ announcements featured more prominently. A superior version has recently been circulated on CDR which features all the songs broadcast in stereo; while the quality of the original recording is dubious, this version is likely to be close to the original. Previously the best copies around came from 90 minute tapes sourced from the Eldorado broadcast with songs rearranged; the last few songs were missing but could be found on tapes from the AM broadcast (from Dance On A Volcano to the end of the concert). It is possible that the full stereo version was obtained from the archives of one of the radio stations by a disaffected employee, but this is an unstantiated rumour. I do not know whether Carpet Crawlers and Eleventh Earl Of Mar were performed that night.
Amazingly recordings were also made by local FM at these Porto Alegre gigs in southern Brazil that month though they were never aired. Legal suits were threatened should the local FM station ever broadcast any part of these concerts.
19 Palais des Sport, Paris, 13th June 1977
The official live album Seconds Out is billed as being compiled mainly from four consecutive nights at this venue, 11th to 14th June 1977. In a recent edition of Record Collector is was pointed out that live albums from this era were sometimes falsely described as having been recorded in Paris as a tax evasion, Thin Lizzy's "Live And Dangerous" being quoted as a prime example. A few brief words in French from Phil are the only evidence we have that Seconds Out was indeed recorded in Paris and it is plausible to suppose these may have been spliced in to satisfy the tax man.
A French radio station broadcast 45 minutes from the 13th, including some songs which do not appear on Seconds Out. None of the songs which Seconds Out has in common with the broadcast were recorded on this night. A fair amount of overdubbing occurred during the mixing of Seconds Out, so this item is interesting for having the performance in its original form as well as some of Phil's song introductions in French. Sadly the broadcast was AM, so sound quality suffers from being mono and having compressed frequency range. There has long been a rumour of a French TV broadcast from these four shows - a rumour I can currently neither confirm or deny.
20. Earls Court, London, 24th June 1977
Towards the end of the tour Genesis returned to the UK for three sold out nights at Earls Court and the second night was broadcast live on the air by Capital Radio. It was carried by a weekly program slot called "Your Mother Wouldn't Like It" presented by Nicky Horne. As a concession to the concert the program was specially extended by 20 minutes and Capital's hourly news bulletins were suspended. Capital is a commercial station and the broadcast was punctuated by adverts which interfered with the music in several places, the worst of these being during Supper's Ready, where the concert was left bfore Willow Farm and not rejoined until the prelude to Apolcalypse! Mercifully Capital repeated the show soon afterwards (possibly twice) without the intrusive adverts and interruptions.
For a long time the main bootleg of this material was "Living Revelations" [KM 2077 - LP], a well produced 45 minute LP including the famous performance of Inside And Out. This must have been sourced from the original broadcast as the cuts in the encore songs correspond to when presenter Nicky Horne spoke over the music. Tapes of the full show circulated amongst traders for quite a while until the inevitable release of the double CD set: the wonderful "Before Riches" [Silver Rarities SIRA 124/125 - 2CD]. A more recent release, "Simply Follow" [Highland HL062/63#G9 - 2CD] has the bonus track Your Own Special Way recorded in Chicago (section 17). While good, the Before Riches recording has a few defects: for example the sound is at times muddy during Supper's Ready and there is some volume distortion during In That Quiet Earth.
Standard guidelines for broadcasting live concerts in the UK around this period stipulated that the recording be destroyed within an agreed time scale, a policy promoted by the Musicians' Union. It is therefore probable that Capital Radio have long since erased their master recording.
21. Knebworth Festival, 24th June 1978
In 1978 Genesis headlined the annual UK Knebworth Festival. The BBC recorded the show on the Island Record mobile studio and a week later (1st July 1978) broadcast some of the show in quadraphonic on the fifth aniversary of Alan Freeman's "Saturday Afternoon Show" between 4:00pm and 5:30pm. The BBC master of this initial broadcast was a 90 minute edit of the show held on quad reel-to-reel tape, though no subsequent broadcast has been in quadraphonic sound. The first rebroadcast was on Tommy Vance's hugely popular "Friday Rock Show" show (ironically the replacement for Alan Freeman's program) not long after the Rock Show's launch (29th December 1978, 10:30pm to midnight). The most recent full BBC rebroadcast occurred on 17th February 1984, again during "Friday Rock Show". The full 90 minute recording was also broadcast in the US by WIOQ Philadelphia.
Tracks on the original BBC broadcast:
More was promised from BBC Radio 6: on 7th October 2002 Janice Long announced that later in 2002 the full BBC recording of Knebworth 1978 will be broadcast (no confusion about the decade this time) though as far as I'm aware there has been no such rebroadcast.
Another 2002 rebroadcast was made by "The Hawk" on Toronto 103.5, during the BBC In Concert slot of the "classic rock" program. After a brief introduction stating that the recording was made three years after Peter Gabriel departed, a 20 minute excerpt was broadcast consisting of Burning Rope, Ripples and Dance On A Volcano/Los Endos. A concert by Joe Jackson was broadcast earlier in the program.
Three songs have been absent from all worldwide broadcasts and are not quoted in BBC archive records, namely Eleventh Earl Of Mar, In The Cage and The Cinema Show. Although Squonk and One For The Vine were broadcast, they do not appear on any of the radio show transcripts described below.
Various bootlegs have been made, a reasonable offering sound-wise is the 65 minutes on "Live in Knebworth" [SGRS 034 - CD], though this is rendered redundant by the definitive bootleg "Knebworth Show" [Highland HL078/79#G12].
21.1 BBC "In Concert" [show #180, CN3146, 1978 - LP]
Roughly 60 minutes were used in the production of a BBC transcript LP, issued in 1978 and broadcast by BFBS Germany sometime in late 1979 or early 1980. An amusing error: BBC introducer Brian Matthew claims Phil Collins to have been a founder member.
21.2 London Wavelength "The BBC Rock
Some classic BBC rock concerts received air play in the USA by virtue of a licensing argeement with the US based London Wavelength. Their "BBC Rock Hour" program normally consisted of studio tracks but there were also some "specials" featuring live concerts, occasionally extending over two Rock Hour shows. About 50 minutes of music per show would be augmented with commercials and an introductory announcement by a BBC DJ. BBC Rock Hour shows were syndicated to the radio network initially by means of reel-to-reel tapes in the late 1970s, soon switching to LPs. The full BBC 90 minute Genesis Knebworth 1978 recording featured in its entirity over an early BBC Rock Hour two show special, distributed on reels and broadcast on the first two Sundays of Septmeber 1978. These reels are among the rarest of Genesis live radio shows: I first heard about the double Knebworth show in early 2003.
21.3 London Wavelength "The BBC Rock Hour" [show
#304, 25.Jan.81 - LP]
There are also two distinct LPs of a "Best of the BBC Rock Hour" compilation from the Knebworth 1978 material: version A is hosted by Richard Skinner; version B has two introductions, the first by Marshall Thomas is followed by Richard Skinner's introduction.
21.4 London Wavelength "BBC Rock Hour - Special Edition" [LP]
Another compilation edition of the "BBC Rock Hour" show features highlights from various Rock Hour's compared by BBC DJ Brian Matthew. I Know What I Like from Knebworth 1978 appears on this anthology.
21.5 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show #91-31,
29.Jul.91 - CD]
Across the atlantic, the Westwood One "Classic Tracks" transcript CD (see also section 10.8) compiled three songs from the Knebworth concert with a couple of tracks from Wembley 1975.
21.6 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks [show #92-34,
17.Aug.92 - CD]
Second issue of Westwood One show #91-31 (section 21.5, 10.9)
21.7 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show #93-14,
29.Mar.93 - CD]
Third issue of Westwood One show #91-31 (section 21.5, 10.11)
21.8 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show #97-04,
20.Jan.97 - CD]
Only a single song, Follow You Follow Me, contributes from Knebworth 1978 to this compilation, the remaining material being taken from Wembley 1975 (section 10.16) and Nassau Coliseum 1981 (section 26.16).
21.9 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show #98-18,
27.Apr.98 - 2CD]
Further use of Westwood One's material is made on this double CD, which also has material from Wembley 1975 (section 10.17).
21.10 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show
#02-28, 13/14.Jul.02 - 2CD]
Repeat issue of Westwood One's Superstar Concert #98-18 (section 21.9) coupling Knebworth 1978 with Wembley 1975 (section 10.19).
22. Uptown Theatre, Chicago, 13th October 1978
Near the start of the "And Then There Were Three" tour Genesis played at the Stadium in Chicago. They were unhappy about their sound at the Stadium and so returned to play a small venue - the Uptown Theatre - in the later stages of the tour. This memorable gig was broadcast live on the air by WXRT Chicago and the 2 hour 30 minute set was rounded off with an interview with Phil. A key feature of this performance was that an almost complete Dancing With The Moonlit Knight made a brief return to the set.
Tracks broadcast by WXRT:
WXRT-FM (www.wxrt.com) still have the master reels of this concert and moreover they do occasionally rebroadcasts their archive recordings; let's hope this gets another airing one day.
23. Hoffheintz Pavillion, Houston, 22nd October 1978
One of the last dates of the 1978 tour occurred in Houston and King Biscuit took this opportunity to obtain their recording. If King Biscuit's 50 minutes are anything to go by, this was a really good performance: Cinema Show stands out as a classic version.
One of the few nice surprises of the Genesis Archive #2 box set [724395034329/CDBOX 7] is Burning Rope from this gig, not included in the King Biscuit broadcasts. King Biscuit do not receive a credit, so perhaps the recording is owned by Genesis and was donated for broadcast.
Roughly half the dates I have seen quoted for this show state 19th rather than the 22nd and I cannot say for certain which is correct. However the Genesis Archives #2 box set unequivocally quotes the date as 22nd so perhaps we should go with that. To add to this confusion, King Biscuit announce that Genesis were recorded at the Hoffheintz Pavillion in Houston though eye-witness accounts and gig listings contest that they performed at the Summit. The box set insists on Hoffhentz Pavillion.
Until recently this show was completely ignored by bootleggers and was one of the most difficult to find Genesis broadcasts; it is now available in good sound quality as "Coming Down From Houston" [Highland HL168 - CD]
23.1 King Biscuit "King Biscuit Flower Hour" [1978 -
Curiously reels of this show seem even more elusive than those of King Biscuit's 1976 and 1977 shows.
24. City Hall, Sheffield, UK, 17th April 1980
British fans were rather short changed with a single show on the And Then There Were Three tour, but Phil promised a tour of England at the end of the Knebworth gig. This materialised in 1980 in the form of a 40 plus date tour of small venues all over the UK. Hallam Radio captured Genesis at Sheffield's City Hall and broadcast the show over a specially extended edition of their "Hallam Rock" program. Hallam, Sheffield's local station, recorded many artists in the early 80s (including Steve Hackett, Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman) but their recordings did not have the budget necessary to compete sound-wise with the likes of the BBC or King Biscuit. Many versions of this show seem annoyingly slow and lethargic, but this may have been so for the broadcasts. Despite this, Hallam's recording is valuable documentation of the intensity and intimacy of this tour and comprises the complete show, stories and all.
Hallam may have broadcast the show twice, and there was another broadcast by Nottingham's Trent FM around this time, minus Say It's Alright Joe and with tracks rearranged. The Trent FM broadcast was used for "Steeltown Revelation" [Discurios DIS 215 A - 2CD], a good recording but but with the slow speed problem mentioned earlier. It is likely Hallam no longer have their master recording, due to Musicians' Union regulations as explained in section 20.
25. Lyceum Ballroom, London, 7th May 1980
A source of many bootlegs and live releases are the London gigs played at the end of the UK tour in May 1980. Genesis played four nights: 4th and 5th at Drury Lane; 6th and 7th at the Lyceum Ballroom. Three nights were recorded: Drury Lane on 5th May (audio only) and the two Lyceum shows (audio and video). They then edited and mixed these recordings and supplied various parts for broadcasts and official releases, creating a tangled web which has only recently been unwound.
An almost complete set was broadcast by the BBC on the "Friday Rock Show" one Friday in July 1980 between 10:00pm and midnight. All songs were taken from 7th except One For The Vine - from 6th May; Say It's Alright Joe and most of Phil's intros were omitted.
Tracks on the original BBC broadcast:
Tracks on the BBC rebroadcast:
Forty minutes of the 7th May filming were televised in 1980 by BBC TV on "Whistle Test" hosted by Anne Nightingale.
Whistle Test tracks:
Since the 7th May recording of One For The Vine has not appeared it is a fair bet that either the performance or the recording of the song was not deemed acceptable. A bootleg video of the pro-shot film of Lyceum 6th May is circulating amongst traders - it is this which enables us to identify the source of One For The Vine on the BBC broadcast. The video is complete except that the majority of Ripples is missing; Knife was not played that night. The BBC have not had access to the film of 6th so we must conclude that it was leaked by someone connected with the band.
Prior to the BBC broadcasts, London's Capital Radio aired some Duke tour material. Capital having advertised their broadcast as to be from Drury Lane failed to deliver on time, but then suddenly produced a show claiming it to be Drury Lane which they broadcast in two parts one week apart (and there may have been a Capital rebroadcast too). In fact the material was the same as subsequently appeared on "The Friday Rock Show". Comparison with an audience tape of Drury Lane 5th May confirms this was certainly not the show broadcast by Capital and the BBC.
One theory is that Capital were responsible for the incorrect venue attribution because they had already committed to Drury Lane in their adverts. However, it may be that whoever mixed the material on the band's behalf was responsible: the show was notionally taken from the three recorded dates and the fact that, in the event, none from Drury Lane was used may not have been noticed or considered important. In favour of this argument, there have also been US broadcasts supplied by the band which were similarly mis-labelled (see section 25.1 below).
Several official releases have been taken from these 1980 recordings. Most significant from the point of view of the above account is One For The Vine on "Three Sides Live" which matches the performance on the audience tape of 5th May - evidence Drury Lane was indeed professionally recorded. (This is also compatible with the theory that One For The Vine from 7th May was not worthy of release or broadcast.) The Genesis Archive #2 box set provides the final proof quoting Deep In The Motherlode from 5th May 1980. A couple of songs from 6th May at the Lyceum are included in Genesis Archive #2, namely Ripples and The Lady Lies. Comparing these two with the bootleg video finally confirms the date and venue of the video beyond reasonable doubt.
Remaining official releases are all taken from the Lyceum 7th May recording: Dukes Travels and Dukes end from Genesis Archive #2; the green flexi single of The Lady Lies [Flexipop 021/LYN 11806] released in august 1982; the live b-side of the Turn It On Again US promo [Atlantic PR 369]; Follow You Follow Me on "Three Sides Live" (and corresponding Westwood One show, section 26.3) - this version has a small edit before the final repetition of the chorus for apparently no reason!
25.1 NBC Radio "The Source" [18-20.Jul.80 - 2LP]
The Lyceum 7th May concert has also had air time in the USA courtesy of "The Source" transcription service. Two different versions were produced containing the same 70 minutes of Genesis music but augmented with different adverts. As with the Capital Radio broadcast, the Source presenter mistakenly quotes the venue as Drury Lane Theatre. A further US broadcast was by WNEW but with rearranged tracks and missing the Dancing With The Moonlit Knight prelude to Carpet Crawl.
Tracks on "The Source" LPs:
26. Nassau Coliseum, 29th November 1981
Recordings of this material turn up all over the place, and it is difficult to collate the information with certainty. It is the source of material used for the "Three Sides Live" album; the album has a subset of the material available on the various radio shows. Two songs missing from the album, Man On The Corner and No Reply At All appear on the Genesis Archive #2 box set.
Some of the songs on the "Three Sides Live" video soundtrack are the same as the album and radio shows but most are alternative versions. The duplicated songs are: Behind The Lines/Duchess, No Reply, Man On The Corner and Turn It On Again.
The material was recorded at two or more performances and correctly attributing the songs to venues and dates is problematic. Radio show announcers say "New York" and sometimes "Nassau Coliseum", the video credits "Nassau Coliseum" and "The Savoy Club" in New York. However comparison of both video and album with an audience recording from The Savoy reveals that only Man On The Corner is from this source. Other songs likely draw from the following venues:
Mixed in with the Abacab tour songs is a slightly doctored version of Follow You Follow Me from the Duke tour recording Lyceum 7-May-80 (section 25). A small edit swaps a few words of a chorus towards the end so that the words sung match the album lyrics.
Firth Of Fifth appears as a 12" single b-side [Charisma/Virgin TATA 1-12] where it is claimed to be from The Savoy, and is also reproduced on a Genesis Information flexi disc [Genesis Information LYN 13143] where it is claimed to be from Nassau Coliseum. The radio show versions of Firth Of Fifth have an annoying cut in the closing vocal section, so you will need to get one of the official sources to hear this song without the splice: the best version is on the compilation CD "Best of 1981-1983" [Vertigo 848854-2 - CD]. Apart from a splice-free version of Firth Of Fifth the only portion of these radio shows not to have received official release is Dance On A Volcano/Drum Duet/Los Endos.
No Reply on the Archive #2 box set, recorded at the Savoy, is not the same as the performance which appears on the radio shows and video.
26.1 DIR/ABC "Supergroups In Concert" [10.Apr.82 -
This fine radio show is a good one to own because it is the most complete, the only significant omission being Turn It On Again, found on Westwood One radio shows and the "Three Sides Live" album. DIR, who produced the show in association with ABC, are the people behind King Biscuit. With a broadcast date of 10th April 1982, this is one of the oldest US radio show LP sets.
Before paying a small fortune for the radio show, consider the option of "Fiaba" [Buccaneer Records 017 - 2CD] (re-released more recently as "Perfect Three Sides Live" [Highland HL081/82#G13]) which is a fraction of the price and just as good sound-wise.
26.2 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [20.Jun.82 - 2LP]
Another King Biscuit offering contains a subset of the "Supergroups In Concert" show.
26.3 Westwood One "In Concert" [IC 82-19-X, 13.Sep.82
To obtain a fantastic recording of this material, hunt down a copy of "Perpetual Soundwave" [Oh Boy 1-9098 - CD] which was probably mastered directly from the Westwood One LPs. Similar releases are "Limbo" [Living Legend LLRCD 160 - CD] and "Genesis Live in USA 1982 [International Pop - INP010 - CD].
I was surprised to learn Follow You Follow Me on this radio show and on the "Three Sides Live" album is actually a doctored version taken from the Lyceum gig (section 25). Whereas the UK sleeves of early pressings of "Three Sides Live" correctly credit the song as being a 1980 recording, subsequent releases omit this fact.
26.4 DIR-TBS Syndications "Supergroups In Concert"
[TBS-SG-4, 18.Oct.82 - 2LP]
DIR partnered with TBS to produce this rare Canadian edition of their "Supergroups In Concert" show, which also boasts the full set of selected New York tracks (tracks as section 26.1).
26.5 DIR-TBS Syndications "Live From Central Park
(advance copy)" [TBS-CP-2, 1982 - 2LP]
Described as a "promo advance copy" this double set has a selection of the Genesis tracks on the first LP and has material from Kim Carnes and Loverboy on the second LP.
26.6 DIR-TBS Syndications "Live From Central Park
(advance copy)" [TBS-LC-10, 1983 - 2LP]
A similar product to that described in section 26.5, but with a different selection of tracks and featuring Stray Cats and Duran Duran on disc two.
26.7 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [SSCS-83-5, 29.Jul.83 -
Musically similar to the "In Concert" show (section 26.3) but with a different ordering to the songs:
26.8 DIR "Live Cuts" [26.Apr.84 - LP]
Another compilation of disparate excerpts from their archives, the Genesis offering is the first on the LP:
26.9 Westwood One "In Concert" [show #86-23,
17/24.Nov.86 - 2LP]
Since all of the 1981 songs on this radio show are available on the original "In Concert" show, these LPs are more noteworthy for their Wembley 1975 content (see section 10.3).
26.10 King Biscuit "The Genesis Event, Part 1"
[30.Nov.86 - 2LP]
This live compilation, described in section 10.4, includes two tracks from the 1981 set.
26.11 Westwood One "In Concert" [show #88-25,
Dec.88 - 2LP]
Another coupling with Wembley 1975 material, see section 10.6.
26.12 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [3-9.Apr.89 - CD]
This compilation CD, described in section 13.3, contains some material from the 1981 shows. Although largely redundant, it does have the advantage of being a digital source which includes that blistering performance of Volcano/Los Endos. Another track on the compilation is Abacab, which King Biscuit claim is from 1981 but is in fact from Philadelphia Spectrum 1983 (section 28).
26.13 King Biscuit "The Genesis Chronicles"
[9-15.Dec.91 - CD]
Reissue of the King Biscuit 3-9.Apr.89 CD (same tracks as section 26.12).
26.14 Westwood One "In Concert" [show #93-18,
26.Apr.93 - 2CD]
CD reissue of Westwood One show #86-23 (same tracks as section 26.9).
26.15 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show #93-45,
1.Nov.93 - 3LP]
As mentioned in section 10.3, this is the "Superstar Concert" counterpart of the "In Concert" show #86-23.
26.16 Westwood One "BBC Classic Tracks" [show
#97-04, 20.Jan.97 - CD]
Though the BBC have never been near this material, Westwood One see fit to include it on one of their "BBC Classic Tracks" CDs! The songs are supplemented with live cuts from Wembley 1975 (section 10.16) and one from Knebworth 1978 (secton 21.8).
Tracks from Nassau Coliseum:
26.17 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show
#00-35, 26/27.Aug.00 - 2CD]
Another portion of the show released as the first disc of a two CD Westwood One retrospective; disc two is from their recording of LA Forum 1984 (section 29.3).
Tracks from Nassau Coliseum:
27. Spectrum, Philadelphia, 26th November 1983
The transcription service "Captured Live" recorded 100 mins from the second of the three 1983 dates at the Philadelphia Spectrum. Phil's vocals are on top form: his performance on Mama is the best I have heard. A recent bootleg "Captured Live" [Flying Cat - 2CD] reproduces the radio show.
27.1 RKO "Captured Live" [CL2784, 23/30.Jul.84 - 2
28. Spectrum, Philadelphia, 27th November 1983
The third date in Philadelphia was recorded by King Biscuit: the material is certainly different from Captured Live's recording and the mix is a little heavier on bass and audience noise. This show is the original source of the live version of Turn It On Again containing snippets of famous songs - now affectionately known as "That Damn Medley" - released as the b-side of the Illegal Alien single [Charisma/Virgin AL 1-12] and appearing on the compilation "Best of 1981-1983" [Vertigo 848854-2 - CD].
28.1 King Biscuit "King Biscuit Flower Hour"
[20/27.May.84 - 2 shows, 4LP]
110 minutes of this concert were broadcast by King Biscuit over two consecutive "Flower Hour" shows. Again, it is not necessary to own the radio show to get this material: "Three Nights In Philly" [Buccaneer Records BUC 051/2 - 2CD] is just as good, and was probably mastered directly from King Biscuit LPs. Don't be fooled by the cover of "Philly" claiming it to have been recorded in 1981, or by the fact that a few songs from Nassau Coliseum 1981 are mixed in (Behind The Lines, No Reply At All, Dance On A Volcano).
28.2 King Biscuit "Best Of The Biscuit" [BOB543,
30.Sep.84 - 2LP]
This show comprises half of King Biscuit's Philadelphia Spectrum material, selected by King Biscuit on a "greatest hits" basis. The compilation is reproduced on "It's a Shame" [Alternative Recording Company ARC007 - LP].
28.3 King Biscuit "The Genesis Event, Part 1"
[30.Nov.86 - 2LP]
King Biscuit's Philadelphia recording is represented by the single track Illegal Alien on this compilation (described in section 10.4).
28.4 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [3-9.Apr.89 - CD]
Abacab on this compilation (see section 13.3) is from the Philadelphia recording.
28.5 King Biscuit "The Genesis Chronicles"
[9-15.Dec.91 - CD]
Reissue of the King Biscuit 3-9.Apr.89 CD (same as section 28.4).
29. Forum, Los Angeles, 13th/14th January 1984
Later during the Mama tour, Genesis played at the LA Forum for three nights commencing on the 12th January and were recorded by Westwood One. A related bootleg, "Straight In My Eyes" [American Concert Series ACS 014 - CD], reproduces the Westwood One show in good sound quality.
The Highland release, "Los Cage" [Highland HL171#G26 - CD] is important for documenting a different broadcast of this material on German radio Norddeutscher Rundfunk (NDR 2), as evidenced by the radio announcer who introduces the programme thus: "Now its the turn for Genesis, recorded in Los Angeles, California in January 1984, on a Friday 13th which, as we know, doesn't say much but the name of this band says everything - Genesis"
Although the Westwood One and German versions claim to be from different nights, all songs present on both are identical versions. Yet there are a number of interesting differences between the German and Westwood One broadcasts which merit attention. The German show has the addtional duo Dodo/Lurker while missing Home By The Sea, Keep It Dark and It's Gonna Get Better. Los Endos is spliced for the German broadcast so that the entire Squonk reprise is excised; I take this to be a radio edit necessary to squeeze the show into 60 minute format.
Phil's greeting after Abacab, "Good evening Los Angeles!" is phrased differently verifying that we are dealing with recordings from at least two separate nights. On the Westwood One show Phil says "It's Saturday night and we're going to have some fun..." pinpointing the 14th as one of the nights and, if the NDR 2 announcer's information is accurate, the other night is the 13th. So for example Abacab and That's All were probably recorded on different nights and when edited together for air play the two versions took Phil's greeting from alternative nights.
Tracks broadcast by NDR 2:
In addition to this partial broadcast, there was also reportedly a fuller NDR 2 broadcast consisting of all the songs from Westwood One plus Dodo/Lurker with no edit to Los Endos on christmas day of 1987 or 1988 at 8:05pm where it was described as a "Christmas concert"!
Illegal Alien and Its Gonna Get Better from 14th January have turned up on the Genesis Archive #2 box set. Since this version of Its Gonna Get Better differs from that of the radio shows, we now know that the radio show version is from 13th January. While it is good to get versions of these two songs which are not already available in bootleg form, fans of live Genesis will bitterly regret that the unique medley including parts of Eleventh Earl Of Mar and Squonk has once again been passed over. The medley has been omitted from all three lengthy radio recordings and from the official Mama Tour video. Unfortunately the laudable aim of providing fans with live versions of songs not present on previous live releases is rather compromised by the fact that many of the target fans already have the same or similar versions on bootleg.
29.1 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [SS84-5,
21.Apr.84 - 3LP]
Compared with the Philadelphia shows, this has a much jazzier feel, probably induced by guitar and percussion being higher in the mix and bass a little lower. Played loud, the guitar sound creates a wonderfully hypnotic effect during the later stages of In The Cage.
29.2 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [PAN84-2,
20.Oct.84 - 3LP]
Reissue of Westwood One show SS84-5 (section 29.1), same tracks.
29.3 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show
#00-35, 26/27.Aug.00 - 2CD]
Another portion of the show released as the second disc of a two CD Westwood One retrospective; disc one is from Nassau Coliseum 1981 (section 26.17).
Tracks from LA Forum:
30. Forum, Los Angeles, 14/15th October 1986
King Biscuit have provided us with another classic, this time from the "Invisible Touch" tour. Genesis played five nights from 13th to 17th October at the Forum and from comparison with audience tapes we know that Phil's dialog is all from 14th and 15th. Presumably the songs are also from these two dates but they have not so far been positively identified. The set features the closing sections of Supper's Ready at the end of the "oldies medley", subsequently dropped when Genesis reverted to their standard ending of Afterglow. In Too Deep and Follow You Follow Me, also droped early in the tour are present.
A further BBC Radio 2 broadcast of an hour of this material occurred on 4th October 1997. The "In Concert" show was introduced by Johnny Walker and preceded by a one hour documentary "The Genesis Story" hosted by Rick Wakeman.
Tracks broadcast by the BBC:
30.1 King Biscuit "The Genesis Event, Parts 3 &
4" [14/21.Dec.86 - 2 shows, 4LP]
As mentioned in section 10.4, "The Genesis Event" contains excerpts from King Biscuit's archive of Genesis and solo material, broadcast over 4 shows. Parts 3 and 4 are dedicated entirely to their LA Forum 1986 recording. Bill Minkin, the King Biscuit announcer gets a little carried away as he talks over several song introductions.
30.2 King Biscuit "Flower Hour - Best of Genesis"
[7/14.Jun.87 - 2 shows, 4LP]
Los Angeles Forum 1986 featured in this two part broadcast, aired on consecutive weeks. Tracks broadcast were the same as for "The Genesis Event" (section 30.1).
30.3 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [3-9.Apr.89 - CD]
There are two contributions to this compilation (see section 13.3) from King Biscuit's 1986 recording:
30.4 King Biscuit "The Genesis Chronicles"
[9-15.Dec.91 - CD]
Reissue of the King Biscuit 3-9.Apr.89 CD (same as section 30.4).
30.5 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [7/14.Jun.92 - 2
Even better than King Biscuit LP versions is the digital quality of this 2 CD radio show. The tracks are the same as for "The Event" but the talk-overs from the announcer are less intrusive - this is easily the definitive source.
30.6 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [13/20.Feb.95 - 2CD]
Reproduces the show as described in section 30.5 but with additional live tracks by Rusted Root, each show being extended to 75 mins to accommodate the additional material. A further small variation are three promo spots for the Flower Hour by Phil (on part one) and Tony (on part two).
30.7 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [shows #96-07/08,
12/19.Feb.96 - 2CD]
Reissue of 1992 CDs (section 30.5)
30.8 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [show #97-15/16 -
Two consecutive shows, same tracks as the 1992 issue (section 30.5) but with the gimic of using red and purple discs.
30.9 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [show #98-14/15,
1998 two show program, again with the usual set of songs as featured in the 1992 reissue (section 30.5).
30.10 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [show #99-45 Nov.99
Features a band synopsis plus some songs from the LA Forum:
30.11 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [9.Jul.01 - CD]
Four tracks from 1986 coupled with Wembley 1975 material, see section 10.18.
30.12 King Biscuit "Flower Hour" [21.Oct.02 - CD]
This show was advertised on www.kingbiscuit.com. I haven't yet learned which songs were broadcast.
31. Estadio Vicente Calderon, Madrid, 13th May 1987
Genesis played two dates in Italy during the Invisible Touch tour; they were at a peak of popularity and accordingly RAI radio gave the tour excellent coverage: in fact RAI broadcast three dates! First came the four opening tracks from Genesis' Spanish concert in Madrid, intended to give the Italian audience a preview of the gigs to be performed in Rome and Milan a few days later. RAI produced the show in collaboration with Italian promoter David Zard who provided commentary. Unfortunately the announcers did a fair amount of talking in the middle of the songs - common practice for Italian Radio!
32. Stadio Flaminio, Rome 17th May 1987
Coverage of the 1987 Rome gig provided the second and most complete RAI broadcast of the Invisible Touch tour; the first half of the gig, inclusive of Throwing It All Away, was transmitted. Ample commentary between songs was in evidence, though was not so intrusive in the middle of songs as during the Madrid broadcast. Prior to the concert RAI broadcast interviews with Mike, Tony and Phil throughout the day, covering such topics as the making of Invisible Touch, on-stage clothing and choice of set list. None of the RAI broadcasts have been bootlegged or even circulated much in tape form, probably due in part to the amount of talking over the music.
33. Stadio San Siro , Milan, 19th May 1987
The last of RAI's trio of broadcast consisted of highlights from their performance in Milan.
Tracks broadcast on TV:
34. Hippodrome, Paris, 3rd June 1987
An amusingly disingenuous attempt by the BBC to give the impression of live coverage of a concert, while actually being an excuse for Johnny Walker and a small sound crew to have a day out in Paris. All songs played were from pre existing album and live material, but the BBC editors did everything in their power to convey that the rag bag of songs were recorded in Paris, short of actually saying so directly. The results broadcast on the Radio One "Stereo Sequence" program (most likely on Saturday 6-Jun-87) give a plausible imitation of live coverage without the big budget required to transport and staff the BBC mobile.
As there are no live songs from the Paris concert it would be possible to ignore this broadcast completely here, were it not for three snippets appearing alongside the on-location interviews. The first is Phil introducing That's All in French at the Paris concert, which is faded into the studio recording of That's All. Here the difference in sound quality emphasized by this transition is evidence that only rudimentary recording equipment was used at Paris. The second point of interest is a soundcheck taking place in the background while Mike is being interviewed. At the end of the soundcheck is a few seconds of Throwing It All Away which the BBC editors quickly merge seemlessly into the LA Forum 15-Oct-86 recording of the song (section 30). Finally at the end of the documentary we hear Phil saying "Au revoir" to the Paris audience.
35. Reichstagsgelaende, Berlin, 8th June 1987
On the European leg of their mammoth "Invisible Touch" tour, Genesis were broadcast live from Berlin by SFB. (When I first learned of the broadcast I was told it was transmitted by "2 TEIL Radio", but there's some doubt as to whether such a station exists).
Reichstagsgelaende which translates as "the area around the parliament" stood right next to the Berlin wall. Great crowds gathered on both sides of the wall and GDR security police feared a riot situation; East German Genesis fans became so angry about not being able to see the band that they almost breached the wall and the incident headlined German TV main news.
"Invisible Tour '87" [Domino 878801 - 2LP] reproduces the broadcast without the Cage medley; "Triangle on Domino" [Highland HL 108/09#G20] has most of the show but missing are the opening and the second half of Los Endos.
36. Maimarktgelande, Mannheim, 20th June 1987
Within a couple of weeks German fans were treated to another complete live Genesis broadcast, this time courtesy of SWF3 Radio. SWF stands for sud-west-funk which translates to south-west-radio, and covered the south western region of Germany consisting of "Rhineland-Palatinate" (Mannheim, Mainz, Koblenz, Trier, Saarbrucken) and "Haden-Wrtthemberg" (Karlsruhe, Stuttgart, Ulm, Lindau, Singen, Freiburg). In 1999 SWF3 was dissolved and merged with another station, SDR, to become SWR3 (www.swr3.de). Before the merger SWF3 had a strong reputation as a progressive station and regularly made complete and uninterrupted broadcasts of live concerts by major acts. SWR3 archives informed me that they do not have this Genesis concert in their archives because the contract was for one broadcast only.
While the performance itself was wonderful it was beset with difficulties. Torrential rain continued throughout, so that half way through the concert (immediately after the old medley) it was necessary to move the stage back to avoid the electrical problems which flooding might cause. So SWF3 listeners were treated to a few minutes of live coverage of the stage being relocated instead of the planned performance of Tonight Tonight Tonight.
From the outset a troublesome element in the crowd, identified by Phil as an American contingent, threatened to disrupt the show. Phil requested a halt to pushing at the earliest pause immediately after Abacab. Problems intensified after Domino with a prolonged chant of U.S.A after which Phil dropped his amiable persona to announce "... I know you want to have a good time, I know you're Americans, but just cool it ... don't make trouble".
Further entertainment is provided by an uncharacteristic slip up from Mike for the climax of his solo finishing That's All, several rather creative notes cascade from the guitar before getting back on track. Perhaps the wet conditions were responsible.
The show has been nicely bootlegged by: "Invisible Life" [Gen A-1462/2 - 2LP]; "The Invisible Cage" [Kiss The Stone KTS042/43 - 2CD]; "Invisible Touch Tour 87/88" [Abacabs 002/91 - 2CD]; "Genesis Live in USA & Germany 1987/88" [International Pop - INP004/5 - 2CD]. For the best version you're ever likely to hear from this show, make sure you have the fan release FAde005 which is from a complete recording off broadcast onto cassette (scheduled for release, July 2003).
37. Wembley Stadium, London, 4th July 1987
Genesis were broadcast live by the BBC on the very last day of the "Invisible
Touch" tour at Wembley Stadium. This was the BBC's first ever digitally mixed
live broadcast (transmission itself was not digital, of course).
It was rebroadcast the following month on 31st August 1987.
While there is some overlap between this material and the soundtrack of the "Invisible Touch Tour" video, much of it is unique: the video compiles footage from all four nights at Wembley and does not have the In The Cage medley. The video has been aired on UK terrestrial Channel 4 in 1990 and on satellite channel UK Gold in 1994 or 1995.
Many fans in the UK and this is now common on CDR, though no commercial bootlegs have so far emerged. An interesting version circulating under the title "Live In The City Of Light" is sourced from a DAT tape recorded by the BBC mobile. This is distinguished from broadcast recordings as having longer opening and closing sections (including exit music) and extended applause before the encore. Tonight Tonight Tonight backing one of the Dreaming While You Sleep singles [Virgin GENDX11] is from this performance as is the Brazilian on Genesis Archive #2.
38. Madison Square Gardens, New York City, 14th May 1988
As part of their 40th birthday celebrations, Atlantic Records staged a celebrity concert featuring many of their top selling artists, each band playing within a 30 minute time slot. Among these were Genesis who played a 23 minute medley having the distinction of being the only instance of the band performing solo material. The sound too is quite unusual; with many bands following in rapid succession and sharing same stage it was necessary to restrict equipment setup time.
Various parts of the "Atlantic at 40" concert were broadcast on TV in the UK, US and Australia: the UK and US broadcasts featured the Genesis set (I don't know whether it was also included in the Australian broadcast). No bootlegs yet contain the audio portion of this recording.
38.1 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [CO 89-16,
10-13.Nov.88 - 3LP]
Westwood One broadcast some highlights of the show, including the Genesis medley. CO 89-16 was hard to track down on account of Genesis not being mentioned on the cue sheets or elsewhere on the box set packaging. Led Zeppelin and Yes are billed as the main attractions and both bands are credited on the cue sheets along side their set lists; but Genesis' contribution is simply marked as "MEDLEY" with no reference to the band. The only way to determine that Genesis are on the LPs is to play them!
39. Knebworth Park, UK, 30th June 1990
Genesis participated in a charity event known as the "Silver Clef Concert" at Knebworth Park in June 1990. Parts of the show were televised and the whole event was broadcast live on BBC radio. Phil Collins started with 30 minutes of solo material and was then joined by the rest of the band to play four Genesis numbers. The performance itself was rather lack-luster: Phil's voice was not on form and the band made several uncharacteristic mistakes. That said, this was a charity concert and Genesis were playing together for the first time in quite a while, with little opportunity to rehearse. In interview it was stated that the songs played were chosen because they were the easiest to re-learn at short notice.
The official video of Knebworth, entitled "The Event" was released in four volumes; Genesis' contribution appears on volume 3, but minus That's All and with edited versions of Turn It On Again and Mama. There was also an official CD release of the same material. In the US, the concert was broadcast on FM as a Westwood One show and televised by MTV Live.
39.1 Westwood One "Superstar Concert" [show #95-24,
5.Jun.95 - 2CD]
The Genesis material contributed to one of the transcript CD sets which Westwood One coupled with Wembley 1975 material (section 10.14).
40. Irving Stadium, Texas, 6th May 1992
Two days prior to the commencement of the "We Can't Dance Tour" Genesis rehearsed at the Irving Stadium in Texas. Afterwards they met JJ Jackson representing the Global Satelite Network to discuss the tour and answer questions phoned in from fans. Initially Phil, Mike and Tony were interviewed and were later joined by Chester Thompson and Daryl Stuermer. During the course of the 90 minute show, dubbed "The Soundcheck", a couple of songs were aired which had been recorded earlier at the rehearsal:
The rehearsal was also covered by the "Opening Night" documentary broadcast on MTV, though not in as much depth.
41. Ullevi Stadium, Gothenburg, 8th July 1992
Due to strike action by French truck drivers, this show originally scheduled for 7th of July was delayed by a day. Swedish national radio broadcast just two live songs within a week of recording.
42. Wiener Prater Stadion, Vienna, 16th July 1992
Austrian National Radio "O3" broadcast this concert live in its entirity. Before the show, a short interview with the band and fans was aired. The bootleg "Vienna" [BKCD 003/4 - 2CD] reproduces the show and has very good sound, though Phil's song intros are all absent and the opening lines of Hold On My Heart are omitted in order to remove the radio commentators' voices.
43. Olympiastadion, Munich, 17th July 1992
German radio station Bayerischer Rundfunk broadcast this show on Saturday, 25th July 1992. Due to sound problems the opening track - Land Of Confusion - could not be broadcast; the presenter apologized for this and proceeded to play the album version of the song half way through the broadcast! Although presented as a complete concert, two further songs were absent: Home By The Sea and Domino. Bayerischer Rundfunk have not retained the master recording in their archives because of transmission conditions agreed with the band. So far, there are no corresponding bootlegs.
44. Knebworth Park, 2nd August 1992
A favourite of the bootleggers, this final concert of the stadium leg of the "We Can't Dance" tour received much exposure world-wide. It received live air play on BBC Radio 1 in the UK and also in Germany on SWF3's "Liverock" station. In addition it was broadcast twice on Sky One in the UK and was shown via satellite TV in various other countries. A futher TV rebroadcast was on UK Gold in 1993, though marred by frequent adverts. Genesis were firing on all cylinders and turned in a wonderfully energetic performance, though this comes over much more strongly on video than from sound alone.
The first of the two original UK TV broadcasts was live on the air and the technicians had some problems with the sound mix. For all shows on the We Can't Dance tour, the main concert mix was provided by a Midas XL3 desk. Using direct and aux outputs from this desk feeds were sent to a Mackie 1604 rack desk and a couple of microphones pointed at the audience. Broadcasting companies could tap into the Mackie 1604 and produce a stereo mix independently of the main board, tailored to their own requirements and capturing crowd noise for a more authentic live sound. In the event, for the Knebworth show, the crowd were too high in the mix and the microphones were placed too far back and pointed at the PA instead of the audience!
Sound on the second broadcast (a few days later) was better, suggesting that the recording was doctored afterwards. For this to have been technically possible, the BBC must have made a multitrack recording from the Mackie 1604 independently of their live stereo broadcast mix, allowing them to produce a different stereo mix in a studio prior to rebroadcast.
45. Royal Albert Hall, London, 16th November 1992
After Knebworth, Genesis played numerous small venue dates in the UK. The Royal Albert Hall, a fine venue with great acoustics, was selected to give a charity performance in aid of the Prince's Trust - a UK charity for homeless people patronized by Prince Charles. Despite the fact that the tour brochure suggests this show to be the last of the tour, there was one further performance on 24th November at a small venue in the midlands: The Civic Hall, Wolverhampton, postponed from its originally scheduled date of 26th October due to Phil experiencing problems with vocals.
The Royal Albert Hall show was broadcast over the UK on several local radio stations including Capital Radio (London) Trent FM (Nottingham) and BRMB (Birmingham). Some of these broadcasts feature local DJs babbling incoherently over the start of several songs, but others are cleaner. Highland's "Never Forget Jesus" [HL 315/316 - 2CD] reproduces one of these broadcasts. The best recording circulating is rumoured to be sourced from the broadcast reels but this rumour is false: it is merely a good recording from the Trent FM broadcast.
46. Fernsehturm Am Alexanderplatz, Berlin, 26th August 1997
Genesis chose this venue to launch "Calling All Stations" in Europe introducing new vocalist Ray Wilson. Ray, Mike and Tony performed four acoustic numbers punctuated by interviews conducted by Alan Bangs. Essentially this was a promotional occasion so various journalists and media representatives were present and a press conference was held after the show. VH-1 televised the event worldwide and it was transmitted by ORB Radio to various stations including WDR 2, Cologne and SWF 3.
Live acoustic tracks:
47. NASA Launch Pad, Cape Canaveral, 28th August 1997
Having launched in Europe, Genesis were keen to launch in the US too, this time courtesy of NASA! The format and songs played were the same as for the European counterpart, but the whole event took rather longer as it included numerous album cuts and interviews with various members of the Cape Canaveral staff. It was broadcast in the US by the transcription syndicate "Album Network" who usually distribute their material on CD. Whether CDs were made of this particular show is not certain, though original 7.5 ips reels issued by Album Network [NS-9310] (air date 29th August 1997) are know to exist.
Live acoustic tracks:
48. Hotel Richmond, Copenhagen, 15th November 1997
Danish National radio broadcast the very first full electric live set with
Ray Wilson on the show "Med et Z" transmitted every Saturday morning between 9
and 12 am. Genesis played live for 50 minutes and were interviewed by the radio
presenter, during which there was an amusing exchange where Ray was quizzed
about Genesis prehistory!
Hotel Richmond was a rather unlikely Copenhagen venue; one third of the function hall was filled with mixing desks and broadcasting equipment which together with the usual entourage of roadies left little room for the assembled fans. The gig was not advertised other than by word of mouth, the 51 lucky attendees being chosen at random among those who sent in postcards listing the names of the three lead singers over Genesis' history.
On 2nd February 1998 the French station Europe 2 aired three songs from this show to supplement their recording of an acoustic set (section 49).
Tracks broadcast by Europe 2
49. Europe 2 Studios, Paris, 9th December 1997
Europe 2 radio broadcast an exclusive acoustic Genesis performance recorded in December 1997 (probably 9th). The broadcast date of 2nd February 1998 is no coincidence: Europe 2 was keen to play live Genesis before their rivals RTL who broadcast on the same day (section 50)!
Acoustic tracks broadcast:
50. RTL Studios, Paris, 13th December 1997
Another rehearsal in preparation for the Calling All Stations tour was a set played at the RTL Studios, Paris. RTL radio broadcast the whole 80 min set on 2nd February 1998 around 10:15pm. From comparison with an audience recording of the show it is clear some post production work was applied prior to broadcast. For example at the gig the synthesized sounds at the start of No Son Of Mine were not present.
Genesis used these radio broadcasts as opportunities to rehearse live material and guage audience reaction. It is interesting to track the development of their live set and the progress of their expertise: this performance was a noticable improvement on the Copenhagen show.
Entry to the gig was free on presentation of the following invitation slip:
Invitation gratuite pour une personne
RTL vous invite a vivre le "Concert d'un soir"
Samedi 13 Decembre 1997 20H30
Grand Studio, 22 Rue Bayard, 75008 Paris
Five songs from this recording have been released on the promo CD "Live Rehearsal". Some of these CDs were given away at another tour rehearsal held at Bray Studios near London, other CDs were used as prizes in various competitions held throughout the UK. Demand for this promo is high and it is consequently difficult to find.
Tracks on the promo CD:
51. Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, 10th February 1998
German Radio WDR 2 broadcast a small part of the band's 1998 Dortmund show live on the air. Transmission started at 8:25pm in the middle of the "Reisezeit" program with an interview between the studio presenter and the reporter on location at Westfalenhalle. When the music began it was so loud that it drowned out the reporter's description of the situation in the concert hall, only a small part of No Son Of Mine can be heard without the reporter's voice. After the first three songs (punctuated by a brief traffic report) "Reisezeit" continued.
Tracks broadcast live:
Tracks broadcast on 25th December 1998:
52. National Exhibition Centre, Birmingham, 25th/26th February 1998
Genesis were recorded by the BBC at Birmingham during their "Calling All Stations" tour. The show has been aired on two separate "In Concert" programs (on 25th April 1998 and 10th October 1998), both introduced by Johnny Walker. The second broadcast was advertised as a "revised repeat" and contained three songs not broadcast first time around. "In Concert" is now broadcast on Radio Two, the preserve of "golden oldies" style music, a fact which indicates the current views of the BBC regarding bands such as Genesis.
Although in the first broadcast Johnny Walker quotes the date of recording as 25th February, doubt is cast by reports that Not About Us was not part of the set that night. I have also heard the BBC recorded quite a few gigs before making the final selection for broadcast, so in the absence of further evidence it seems likely that the songs broadcast were compiled from a combination of dates, probably 25th and 26th February 1998.
The recording shows the new line up becoming more confident and the level of performance reinforces Genesis' reputation for powerful live shows: The Dividing Line being a particular tour de force and a nod to the band's progressive roots.
Tracks broadcast on 25th April 1998:
Tracks broadcast on 10th October 1998:
Highland's version "Live After Dividing" [Highland HL 283/84] couples the first broadcast with some additional tracks taken from the soundtrack of a Czech TV broadcast recorded at the Prague Sportovni Hala on 2nd February 1998. (I understand that the Czech concert was broadcast only on TV, not radio as rumoured, hence it does not qualify for a separate section in this guide). The Czech broadcast covered about two thirds of the concert and the bootleg contains just those tracks not duplicated by the BBC broadcast. When edited together in order, the two shows do not quite form a complete set - it would perhaps have been preferable to have a single disc compiling material from both BBC broadcasts.
53. Olympiahalle, Munich, 27th March 1998
Three tracks only were broadcast on a German FM station:
There seem to have been a few broadcasts consisting of the first few songs of Calling All Stations concerts; Dortumund, Munich and the TV broadcast "Rock Im Park" from Nurnberg. There was also a reported to have been a broadcast of the first three songs of the gig at Alsterdorfer Sporthalle, Hamburg (30th March 1998), said to have been broadcast by Radio Hamburg after the 11:00pm news.
A plausible explanation for this phenomenon is suggested by the ticket stubs issued in Germany which each sport the logos of a newspaper and a radio station, presumably reproduced to acknowledge sponsorship, promotion or support. In Mannheim the radio station was "Hit Radio FFH", in Dortmund and Bielenfeld "WDR 2", in Stuttgart "Antenne", in Munich "Bayern 3". A backstage pass of the Hamburg and Bielenfeld gig gives journalists permission to take photos during the first three songs and broadcasters to record these songs from the soundboard system. It is reasonable to suppose that the various broadcasts feature the soundboard recordings taken by sponsoring radio stations. All this ties in with the "Calling All Stations" concept and supports the rumour of a broadcast of the Hamburg Gig by the local Hamburg radio station, though no recordings have emerged.
54 Globenannexet, Stockholm, 3rd April 1998
An excellent 55 minutes of this show were broadcast by Swedish FM radio "P4". This show is a treat to hear: a committed and mature performance coupled with good recording and mixing. Home By The Sea is probably the heaviest and most manacing version I've yet heard.
There is a wealth of excellent live Genesis material available on radio show transcripts, though many broadcasts have not surfaced on radio owned media. Most of the shows and broadcasts have been bootlegged, but there are still some shows and parts of shows which can currently be found only as traders' tapes.
Collecting information about broadcasts gives some fascinating insights into the origins of bootleg recordings and provides a framework for categorizing and judging them. I have attempted to give a detailed and comprehensive account of this subject area: if you have any additional or corrective information I would be delighted to hear from you and to improve this document accordingly.
APPENDIX: BBC SESSIONS
BBC sessions were not recorded live in the sense of a single take in front of the watchful eyes of an audience, yet the music often has a direct "live" feel. One contributory factor is that studio time slots for BBC sessions were so tightly controlled that practically no scope was left for over-dubbing or re-recording. Between 1970 and late 1972 Genesis recorded four sessions for the BBC. I will describe each of these then discuss available bootlegs. Most of the dates and track details are taken from Ken Garner's excellent BBC 'sessionography' book "In Session Tonight".
[#1] "Night Ride" 22nd February 1970
On Genesis' first visit to the BBC they recorded a session of Trespass era material, the majority of which did not appear on the album. The session was recorded at Studio 4, Maida Vale and the lineup at that stage was Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Peter Gabriel, Anthony Phillips and John Mayhew.
First broadcast on the "Night Ride" show, 1-Apr-70, this session was re-discovered and broadcast by Alan Freeman on his "Saturday/Sunday Rock Show" circa 1989. The original program billing in the Radio Times read as follows: "12.5 Night Ride. Jon Curle with swinging sounds on and off the record featuring tonight GENESIS. Produced by ALEC REID". The tracks layed down were:
"Dusk" was not broadcast and is now lost - the story goes as follows: BBC policy until about 1980 was that session tapes should be erased after broadcast - though some producers enforced this policy more zealously than others. The "Night Ride" session survived only because producer Alec Reid made his own cassette copy of the BBC master prior to it's destruction - presumably his tape did not include "Dusk".
Musically we are treated to a helping of how Genesis might have sounded on "From Genesis To Revelation" had they not been swamped under heavy handed production. Stagnation has a different ending from Trespass - instead of the powerful closing passage with the vocals "Then let us drink .." there is a reprise of the opening theme with some rather twee accompanying lyrics. Of the five tracks "Let Us Now Make Love" would have been most at home on "From Genesis To Revelation" with it's more rhythmic beat and vocal arrangements threatening to emulate the "Bee Gees" as in "The Silent Sun"!
The session has a somewhat medieval feel, contrasting gentle "pastoral" melodies with heavier and more menacing themes. The panel evaluating the session commended it highly for it's "intriguing tone colours". Overall, there is a sense that the band is promising yet still trying to find it's feet: evidence of writing flair and originality abounds but the performance itself does not reach the level of professionalism displayed in later recordings.
[#2] "Sounds of the 70s" 10th May 1971
Genesis' next session was recorded six months before the release of Nursery Cryme. It was recorded at Studio T1, Kensington House, produced by Pete Dauncey and Engineered by Adrian Revill. Anthony Phillips and John Mayhew had by now been replaced by Steve Hackett and Phil Collins respectively. The session consisted of just two tracks:
"Stagnation" shows progression from the 1970 version, the time changes carried off with noticeably more elegance - especially on the part of the drums! Tony has honed the opening passage of the keyboard solo and plays with more confidence than on the "Night Ride" session. A superb performance with subtlety and power, I rate this as the definitive version of this song.
"Musical Box" has some interesting differences from the album version. The "Old King Cole" refrain is preceded by an extended flute section followed by the lyrics beginning "And the clock ..." which are then repeated before the launch into the frantic keyboard/guitar duet. Clearly Gabriel had not yet finished the lyrics of the closing section, the famous Gabriel-ese grunts taking the place of real words!
There is a marked improvement in musicianship compared with the previous session. Phil Collins' skilled and creative drumming is an obvious improvement; Steve Hackett's guitar (high in the mix) adds an extra dimension and texture to the sound. The band as a whole have matured technically and become a more cohesive unit. Listen to a good quality recording of this session, if possible, because there is a considerable range in volume between the quieter and louder passages.
[#3] "Sounds of the 70s" 9th January 1972
Recorded again for the "Sounds of the 70s" program, this time hosted by John Peel, was a session consisting of the following:
Material from this session is quite hard to find and may not have received a second airing. As a result tape copies are elusive and it makes low-key contributions to just two compilation bootleg LPs with "Salmacis" and "Harlequin" not featuring on either. Although there is a copy of this session in the BBC archives there is a question mark over whether it is the original master or a poor quality verions recorded off air and subsequently acquired by the BBC. The reported low fidelity of this material on the aborted Virgin release (see later) suggests the BBC no longer have their original master but instead intended to release a version of the tape copy available in trading circles. All known recordings are missing Fountain Of Salmacis.
[#4] "Top Gear" 25th September 1972
The last of the band's early BBC sessions was again recorded at Studio T1, Kensington House. It was first aired on John Peel's "Top Gear" show on 9-Nov-72 and rebroadcast (at least) twice together with the [#2] session:
"Watcher" is played with power and conviction, a real tour-de-force. Mike turns in some of his very finest work on bass and Phil's backing vocals complement and enhance Peter's to great effect.
"Twilight Alehouse" exhibits all the hallmarks of a classic Genesis song: imaginative composition, variety of mood and texture, strong and emotional vocal delivery, committed performance. The extent to which Phil's contribution drives the band is particularly noticeable on the session, and this version of "Twilight Alehouse" showcases his talent.
"Get 'Em Out By Friday" is also faultlessly performed. The ironic and operatic style of the song is heightened by some amusing voices for the cast - some of which differ from their characterization on "Foxtrot". Again, listen out for some great bass lines from Mike.
Superb recording and production are key contributary factors to the success of this session: they highlight the wonderfully accomplished level of musicianship attained by the band in their "Foxtrot" era. A convincing performance, delivered at a high point in the bands' career.
The "Night Ride" session [#1] (minus "Stagnation") received airplay in the US as part of Westwood One's "BBC Classic Tracks" series for which a broadcast-only radio show CD was made hosted by former Capital Radio DJ Nicky Horne [Show #94-19 for broacast week of May 2, 1994]. Several high quality bootlegs of this session are now available. The first three tracks of the session are reproduced on the "Genesis Archives" box set [Virgin 72438 422221 2 3 - 4CD].
A very rare BBC transcription services LP exists of the 10-May-71 session [#2], entitled "Pick Of The Pops For Your D.J. - 346" [128505-S, expiry date 23.6.72]. This was news to me as I wasn't aware the BBC produced early LPs of their sessions so this is an exceptional find. It would be amazing if there were a similar release including the rare 9-Jan-72 session [#3].
Around the time the Archive #1 box set was being prepared a release of all the Genesis BBC sessions was proposed, a collaboration between the BBC and Virgin. A few promotional 2CD sets were produced before the project was abandoned when Tony Banks refused permission.
For a long time songs from [#2] and [#4] appeared only as "bonus tracks" on bootlegs of other shows. This changed when the "Night Ride" session was rebroadcast and bootlegs dedicated to BBC sessions emerged. At this point the quality of the recordings used for all sessions improved noticeably. (A rumor claims that "The Shepherd" was mastered direct from a BBC tape containing all the available Genesis sessions, the tape having escaped following it's release from the BBC archives for the repeat airing of the "Night Ride" session). Stagnation from [#2] is the version which appears in the "Genesis Archives" box set where it is labelled as "live".
Material from session [#3] is scarce: "The Return Of The Giant Hogweed" can be found on the bootleg LP "The Rarest Vol 3" [Stemka 50013 - LP]; "Harold The Barrel" appears on the bootleg LP "All Together!" [Arc 0075 - LP]. For sessions [#1],[#2] and [#4], two bootlegs stand out as being excellent sources in terms of both sound quality and completeness: "The Shepherd" CD and the three CD set "From One Fan To All others".
"The Shepherd" CD [Flashback Records-09.90.0126 - CD] is preferable to its LP counterpart [Flashback Records-09.90.0126 - LP] which is missing a few tracks. The [#1] session has a slight layer of hiss which seems to be inherent in the BBC's tape (judging by my tape of the rebroadcast). "Stagnation" from [#1] is missing from "The Shepherd", probably because the bootleggers did not want the same song to appear twice. Amusingly the bootleggers have dubbed the same segment of canned applause between songs in a somewhat comical attempt to convince us the material was performed before an audience! Despite these minor quibbles, this is a classic CD with amazing sound quality.
"From One Fan To All Others" [Stonehenge-STBX 016/17/18 - 3CD] has a little more digital processing which succeeds in factoring out the slight hiss in the "Night Ride" session, but which slightly damps the clarity of the other better recordings. Again, the bootlegger's seem to have shied away from having two versions of "Stagnation": this time the [#1] version is missing. This nicely packaged three disc set also boasts the "Lamb" soundboard from West Palm Beach aka "The Lamb Lives".
The best option nowadays is to find a copy of the CDR bootleg "The Almost Complete BBC Sessions" much of which is sourced from leaked BBC masters. This is as complete as it can be, missing only the two "lost" songs Dusk from [#1] and Fountain Of Salmacis from [#3] and as a great bonus has the BBC live set from their Paris Studios 02-Mar-72 (section 2). Sound quality of the January 1972 session [#3] is poor as usual.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Shepherd" CD (Flashback Records-09.90.0126) [#1] The Shepherd/Pacidy/Let Us Now Make Love/Stagnation/Looking For Someone [#2] The Musical Box [#4] Twilight Alehouse/Watcher Of The Skies/Get 'Em Out By Friday ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "From One Fan To All Others" 3CD (Stonehenge-STBX 016/17/18) [#1] The Shepherd/Pacidy/Let Us Now Make Love/Looking For Someone [#2] The Musical Box/Stagnation [#4] Twilight Alehouse/Watcher Of The Skies/Get 'em Out By Friday ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "All Together!" LP (Arc 0075) [#3] Harold The Barrel [#2] The Musical Box ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Rarest Vol. 3" LP (Stemka 50013) [#3] The Return Of The Giant Hogweed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Shepherd" LP (Flashback Records-09.90.0126) [#1] The Shepherd/Pacidy/Let Us Now Make Love/Stagnation/Looking For Someone [#4] Twilight Alehouse/Watcher Of The Skies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Happy The Man" CD (Chapter One-CO 25202) [#1] Let Us Now Make Love/Pacidy/Stagnation/The Shepherd/Looking For Someone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Unreleased Live Collection" 2 CD (Never End-NE 8.22) [#1] Let Us Now Make Love/The Shepherd/Pacidy/Stagnation/Looking For Someone [#4] Twilight Alehouse/Get 'Em Out By Friday/Watcher Of The Skies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Unreleased Live Collection" 2 LP (Never End-NE 8.21) [#1] Let Us Now Make Love/The Shepherd/Pacidy/Stagnation/Looking For Someone [#4] Twilight Alehouse/Watcher Of The Skies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Hiding Place" LP (Gnv 100) [#1] The Shepherd/Pacidy/Let Us Now Make Love/Looking For Someone/Stagnation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Live In Montreal" 2CD (The Swinging Pig-TSP CD 040-2) "Live In Montreal" 3LP (The Swinging Pig-TSP 040-3) "Magma" 2CD (Lobster Records-CD 024/2) [#2] Stagnation [#4] Get 'Em Out By Friday/Twilight Alehouse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Genesis In Concert" 2 LP (Music Of Distinction MOD 1005) [#2] The Musical Box/Stagnation [#4] Twilight Alehouse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Rarest Vol. 1" LP (Stemka 5001) [#2] Stagnation [#4] Get 'Em Out By Friday/Twilight Alehouse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Some Old, Some New" 3 LP (79-054) [#4] Get 'Em Out By Friday/Twilight Alehouse/Watcher Of The Skies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Twilight Alehouse" CD (Flashback Records-FB 1089 0109) [#4] Twilight Alehouse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This guide is dedicated to fellow conspirator Brother Jon who has always steered me in the right direction.
I would like to express my thanks
HISTORY AND CREDITS
||- Written |
- Posted on paperlate & "The Path"
||- Correct typos. Add British Biscuit 10-Jun-76 |
- Add catalogue numbers where known
- Correct KBFH Wembley 75. Add "Damn Medley"
- There is no Quiet Earth on Houston 78
- Add "Other FM Shows" sect, copyright details
- FYFM from WW1 1981 is Lyceum 1980 (thanks Andreas Stangl)
- Show number for BBCRH Knebworth '78 (thanks Bill Duhigg)
- Captured Live date is 26-Nov-83 (thanks Paul Hanley)
- Complete revamp adding all broadcast details
- Date for Japanese broadcast of 15-Apr-75
- Submitted to "The Path"
||- Add 15-May-77,13-Jun-77,17-Jul-92,15-Nov-97 broadcasts
- New Capital Radio text for 20-Oct-73 (thanks Jeff Kaa)
- Bootleg label numbers
- First press of "A Living Story" (thanks Yasuo Nakajima)
- Add 25-Feb-98 broadcast
- Knebworth BBC LP broadcast by BFBS (thanks Wolfgang Schwan)
- Submitted to "The Path"
||- 15-Oct-86 Highland boot |
- "Earth News" LP (thanks for help: Jonathan Dann, Jack Beermann)
- 30-Jun-90 not Phil's 'epiphany' (thanks Mansoor Khaleeluddin).
- 13-May-87 corrections and accurate info (thanks Luca Benporat)
- 16-Jul-92 broadcast details (thanks Andreas Stangl, Luca Benporat)
- 07-May-73 Paris Olympia (thanks Ed Paskor)
- 17-Jul-92 broadcast details (thanks Tom Morgenstern)
- 13-Dec-97 RTL, Paris (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 21-Apr-74 further broadcast details inc. Peter Hammill (thanks Jack Beermann)
- 15-Apr-76 "Buzzard Basement Tapes" (thanks Robert Brandt)
- 15-Apr-75 Westwood One show #98-18 (thanks Jack Beermann)
- 16-Feb-77 correct venue name (thanks Jack Beermann)
- Merged version 3 changes with Thomas Holter's HTML (thanks Tom)
||- More on the BBC transcript LPs (thanks Jonathan Dann)
- 16-Nov-92 not the last gig of tour
- 20-Oct-73, 24-Jan-75 box set details
- Tidy up the 24-Jan-75 and 29-Nov-81 sections
- 17-Jan-73 translation and note about French TV (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 15-May-77 broadcast details (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 16-Feb-77 LaXious boot details (thanks Paul Hanley)
- 29-Nov-81 Firth on "Best of 81-83" (thanks Paul Hanley)
- Capitol Radio really is spelled Capital (thanks Chris West)
- 15-Oct-86 5 nights (not 3) and 12 inch (thanks Chris West)
- 28-Aug-97 Cape Canaveral launch (thanks Chris West)
- 26-Aug-97 Berlin launch (thanks Tom Morgenstern)
- 25-Feb-98 doubt about date (thanks Chris West)
- 13-Oct-78, 29-Nov-81, 20-Jun-87 International Pop boots (thanks Chris West)
- 02-Feb-98 Czech Republic (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 25-Feb-73 Test pressing details (thanks Bill Herley)
- 25-Feb-73 BBC broadcast info (thanks Jonathan Dann)
- 21-Apr-74 CHOM-FM not CHUM-FM (thanks Bob Elliott)
- 21-Apr-74 No SR story on boot (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 02-Mar-72 Possible LP of 2nd broadcast (thanks Vernon Parker)
- 24-Jan-75 Quad KB show (thanks Chris West, Mark Anderson)
- 24-Jan-75 KB long version rumour (thanks Vernon Parker)
- 24-Jan-75 Dutch broadcast (thanks Chris Davies)
- 24-Jun-77 Improved broadcast details (thanks Vernon Parker)
- 24-Jun-78 Correct details of 1st broadcast (thanks Vernon Parker)
- 15-Apr-76 Rebroadcast 30-Oct-98 (thanks Robert Brandt, Mark Rasicci)
- 22-Oct-78 Highland boot details (thanks Markus Leptien)
- 08-Jun-87 Berlin wall incident (thanks Tom Morgenstern)
- 18-Dec-73 Thanks Chris West, Bill Herley, Ken Stuart, Joe Harden
- 09-Jul-76 (Capital details: thanks Vernon Parker, Jack Beermann)
- 15-Apr-75 Missing Cage verse is an edit (thanks Jeff Kaa)
- 14-Jan-84 Highland boot (thanks Peter Reid)
- 15-Apr-76 Highland boot (thanks Markus Leptien)
- 08-Jul-92 Thanks Stefan Eriksson
- 03-Apr-98 Thanks Stefan Eriksson
- Added index
- Simplified history and versioning
- Submitted to "The Path"
||- 24-Jun-77 Further description of the original broadcast
(thanks Vernon Parker) |
- 17-Jan-73 Correct venue (thanks Markus Leptien)
- 08-Jul-92 Correct date, not 07-Jul-92 (thanks Stefan Eriksson)
- 15-Apr-76 Tape effects info (thanks Jonathan Dann)
- 03-Apr-98 More about the performance
- 05-Jul-73 Revise to 07-May-73 and include note about date.
- 13-Dec-97 Further detailed broadcast info (thanks Nassim Belkaid)
- 09-Dec-97 Thanks Nassim Belkaid
- 15-Nov-97 Europe 2 broadcast (thanks Nassim Belkaid)
- 09-Jul-76 Correct Stafford 1976 gig date (thanks Vernon Parker)
- 21-Apr-74 More about the performance
- 08-Jun-87 "Triangle on Domino" half of LE missing (thanks Volker Warnke)
- 26-Aug-97 Revision to broadcast details (thanks Volker Warnke)
- 02-Feb-98 Deleted - only on TV (thanks Volker Warncke, Martin Sedivy)
- 25-Feb-98 2nd broadcast, forgot Invisible Touch (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 25-Feb-98 "New Beginning" boot problem in Mama (thanks Markus Leptien)
- 26-Aug-97 ARC boot details
- 11-Mar-70 Text about dubious date (thanks Jonathan Dann, Chris West)
- 07-May-80 Turn It On Again US promo B-side (thanks Chris West)
- 07-May-80 Complete account of the Lyceum/Drury Lane confusion (thanks Chris West, Vernon Parker)
- 07-May-80 WNEW broadcast (thanks Ted Sapp)
- 02-Jan-77 WNEW broadcast (thanks Ted Sapp)
- 10-Feb-98 WDR 2 25-Dec-98 broadcast (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 10-Feb-98 WDR 2 recording & live broadcast (thanks Tom Morgenstern)
- 17-May-87,19-May-87 RAI broadcasts (thanks Luca Benporat)
- 15-Apr-75 Highland boot (thanks Markus Leptien)
- intro: a little more speculation about KB official releases
- 15-Apr-75,24-Jun-78 Swedish broadcast (thanks Mark Bataitis)
- 6-May-92 Thanks Nassim Belkaid, Mark Bataitis
- 24-Jan-75 Distributed on reels, not LP (thanks Tad Bartel)
- 25-Feb-73 Acetates (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 24-Jan-75 Evil Jam (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 15-Apr-75 Pop Spectacular; Show 313 issue date; correct and augment WW1 and KB details (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 15-Apr-76 RATW show #120 (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 10-Jun-76 Correct name of KB compilation (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 09-Jul-76 Vinyl boots of laserdisc (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 02-Jan-77 Withdrawl of 1st boot pressing (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 24-Jun-78 BBC LP show number, issue date; BBCRH versions A and B (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 07-May-80 Revelatory, In Concert boots (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 29-Nov-81 Lots of corrections and additions to radio show details (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 27-Nov-83 Air dates (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 15-Oct-86 "Best of Genesis" (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 14-May-88 Thanks Marcello Cirese
- 28-Aug-97 Reels (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 15-Oct-86 1995 and 1996 KB shows (thanks Marcello Cirese)
- 14-Jan-84 German broadcast (thanks Martijn Van Beek, Jeff Kaa)
- 25-Feb-98 Highland boot (thanks Jeff Kaa)
- Put radio show CDs and LPs in order of broadcast date.
- Submitted to "The Path"
||- BBC sessions appendix added |
- 15-Apr-75 reorganise intro section
- 24-Jun-78 date for BBCRH LP #304
- 14-Jan-84 translation of NDR 2 announcer (thanks Volker Warncke)
- 17-May-87 No Cinema Show in medley (thanks Martijn Van Beek)
- 09-Jul-76 Further details on Capital appearances (thanks Graham Collins)
- 09-Jul-76 Quad film "Sensasia", SO press kit (thanks Jack Beermann)
- 07-May-73 Correct date and broadcast details of "Musicorama" (thanks Luca Benporat)
- 13-Apr-76 Probable later broadcast; confirmation of venue; further details about the Syria Mosque and WDVE (thanks Mike Kolesar)
- 22-Oct-78 Venue was The Summit (thanks Bill Fite)
- 15-May-77 Supplementary info about the Porto Alegre gigs (thanks Luis Felippi)
- 29-Nov-81 "Live Cuts" LP (thanks Jack Beermann)
- 15-Apr-75, 24-Jun-78, 29-Nov-81 WW1 show #97-04 (thanks Chris West)
- 24-Jan-75 Maybe the second part went to KB
- 14-May-88 Catalogue label and cue sheet details
- Spelling of Peter Hammill (thanks JA Chamberlain)
- Submitted to "The Path"
- 09-Jul-76 Entangled on Archive #2
- 22-Oct-78 Unbroadcast Burning Rope on Archive #2
- 07-May-80 Further releases and info on the London gigs on Archive #2
- 29-Nov-81 No Reply At All and Man On The Corner on Archive #2
- 14-Jan-84 It's Gonna Get Better and unbroadcast Illegal Alien on Archive #2.
- 04-Jul-87 Brazilian on Archive #2
- 21-Apr-74 Peter Hammill's set was not broadcast.
- 13-Jun-77 None of the duplicated songs on Seconds Out are from the 13th.
- 17-Apr-80 Extended "Hallam Rock" (thanks Stuart Willows)
- 11-Mar-70 A few more details surrounding the mystery (Thanks Lew Irwin, Jon, Adam Gottlob, Peter Reid, Stefan Westman)
- 17-Jan-73 Accompanying Supper's Ready is from Melody TV
- 24-Jun-78 Second FRS BBC broadcast (thanks Paul Hardy)
- 07-May-80 Second FRS BBC broadcast with Joe (thanks Paul Hardy)
- 07-May-80 WOWOW broadcast (thanks Shoji Yamada)
- Added sessions bootleg list
- Submitted to "The Path"
- Intro: additional info on King Biscuit masters
- Sessions: Aborted BBC/Virgin release (thanks Alan Hewitt)
- Sessions: "Almost Complete BBC Sessions" CDR bootleg (thanks Ted Sayers, Simon Funnell)
- Sessions: 10-May-71 BBC LP (thanks Adam Gottlob)
- Sessions: No recording of Salmacis from 9-jan-72 (thanks Willem Beens)
- Sessions: WW1 show #94-14 broadcast date (thanks Willem Beens)
- 11-Mar-70 Glen Colson on the Roundhouse film (thanks Paul Russell) - 11-Mar-70 Name of dealer and authenticity of film (thanks Alan Hewitt)
- 02-Mar-72 "Live Rarities" Highland boot (thanks Chris West)
- 17-Jan-73 Date/venue doubt (thanks Andy H of Hogweeds)
- 17-Jan-73 Correct date of Belgian TV recording (thanks Alan Hewitt)
- 25-Feb-73 Couple more Philips LP details (thanks Adam Gottlob)
- 07-May-73 7th was Monday, not 6th (thanks Stefan Woch, Chris West, Willem Beans)
- 20-Oct-73 Peter's 50th birthday WXRT rebroadcast
- 21-Apr-74 Crossed line during Horizons (thanks Chris West)
- 24-Jan-75 Probably never broadcast by King Biscuit
- 24-Jan-75 Dutch radio broadcast info (thanks Willem Beens)
- 24-Jan-75 90 min Farm sourced version (thanks Mark Bataitis)
- 15-Apr-75 WW1 show #96-23 (thanks Tim Tjernlund)
- 15-Apr-75 WW1 show #88-25
- 15-Apr-75 WW1 show #02-28
- 15-Apr-75 King Biscuit 23-29.Nov.92
- 15-Apr-75 BBC Radio 6 10.Jan.03
- 13-Apr-76 WDVE archive masters (thanks Jack Malloy, WDVE), FAde002
- 13-Apr-76 "A Trick Of The Stage" boot (thanks Martijn Van Beek)
- 15-Apr-76 Agora and WMMS (thanks Tony Alberts)
- 10-Jun-76 DIR Live Cuts, show #49 (thanks Adam Gottlob)
- 09-Jul-76 Date and extra demo track for Phil's 03-feb-80 Capital appearance (thanks Mike g7bnf)
- 09-Jul-76 Text from "Sensasia" program
- 09-Jul-76 1976 Capital Radio appearance (thanks Chris West)
- 09-Jul-76 London Radio broadcast (thanks Vernon Parker)
- 02-Jan-77 Rainbow theatre reopening
- 02-Jan-77 Reels CDRs (thanks Tad Bartel, Alessandro Vasserot)
- 02-Jan-77 Date/venue doubt (thanks Chris West, Vernon Parker)
- 20-Jan-77 Southampton Hospital Radio broadcast (thanks Mark Bataitis)
- 15-May-77 Spelling of Porto Alegre (thanks Javier Olaizola, Chris West)
- 15-May-77 Full stereo version circulating (thanks Simon Marsden)
- 13-Jun-77 Seconds Out in Paris? (thanks Chris West)
- 24-Jun-78 Island Records mobile quad recording (thanks radio ham Mike g7bnf from the UK of WHY)
- 24-Jun-78 BBCRH 3/10.Sep.78 (thanks Tony Alberts)
- 24-Jun-78 Detail about the first broadcast (thanks Mic Smith)
- 24-jun-78 Radio 6 rebroadcast (thanks Graham Collins, Simon Funnell)
- 24-Jun-78 Date of 1st rebroadcast (thanks Bill Kilroe)
- 24-Jun-78 Radio 6 promised full rebroadcast (thanks John Carr)
- 24-Jun-78 Toroto 103.5 2002 broadcast (thanks Kevin Barrie)
- 24-Jun-78 WW1 show #02-28
- 13-Oct-78 WXRT archive master (thanks XRT programing)
- 17-Apr-80 "Hallam Tapes" boot (thanks Martijn Van Beek)
- 07-May-80 "Duke Source Live" boot (thanks Martijn Van Beek)
- 07-May-80 'Canal Jimmy' 2001 broadcast (thanks Nassim Belkaid)
- 07-May-80 Dates of first 2 FRS broadcasts (thanks Bill Kilroe)
- 07-May-80 No TIOA on short Duke video (thanks Chris West)
- 07-May-80 Whistle Test "Cage" intro
- 29-Nov-81 Westwood One show#00-35
- 29-Nov-81 NEC interview & info (thanks Martijn Van Beek)
- 29-Nov-81 NEC baloons (thanks Ted Sayers)
- 29-Nov-81 Philadelphia recording (thanks Chris_from_Philly)
- 29-Nov-81 No Reply on Archive #2 not same as radio (thanks Chris West)
- 29-Nov-81 WW1 show #88-25
- 29-Nov-81 SSCS-83-5 label and correct track details (thanks JD Mack)
- 26-Nov-83 "Captured Live" boot (thanks Martijn Van Beek)
- 14-Jan-84 Westwood One show#00-35
- 14-Jan-84 NDR fuller broadcast (thanks Stefan Woch)
- 14-Jan-84 IGGB on Archive #2 not same as radio (thanks Chris West, Andreas Stangl)
- 15-Oct-86 Recording date info for song intros (thanks Trevor Song)
- 15-Oct-86 King Biscuit show #98-14/15 (thanks David Swenka, Chris West)
- 15-Oct-86 King Biscuit 2002 broadcast
- 03-Jun-87 BBC fake recording!
- 20-Jun-87 SWF3 info (thanks Knut Geiger). SWF archive (thanks Joachim Dalmer, SWR)
- 04-Jul-87 BBC 31-Aug-87 rebroadcast
- 04-Jul-87 TV broadcasts of the official video (thanks Bill Kilroe)
- 04-Jul-87 City Of Light cdr (thanks Willem Beans, Gary Best)
- 04-Jul-87 Tonight x3 on GENDX11 (thanks Andreas Stangl)
- 02-Aug-92 SWF3 "Liverock" broadcast (thanks Joachim Dalmer, SWR)
- 02-Aug-92 BBC Radio 1, Sky One, UK Gold (thanks Bill Kilroe)
- 02-Aug-92 We and 18 Million Dollars boots (thanks Simon Funnell)
- 02-Aug-92 Live Switzerland Radio fake
- 02-Aug-92 Sound mix and recording (thanks Stuart Barnes)
- 16-Nov-92 "Never Forget Jesus" boot (thanks Martijn Van Beek, Chris West)
- 16-Nov-92 Broadcast reels hoax
- 15-Nov-97 Details of the venue and attendees (thanks Henrik Ditlevesen)
- 27-Mar-98 Radio sponsorship theory and Hamburg rumour (thanks Stefan Woch)
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